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YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

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Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

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Post by peteretep »

jerf wrote: post #113
matte_black wrote: post #21

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Would you be interested in a training program?

I've idly wondered sometimes about the effectiveness of a shock collar sort of setup for oneself that allowed the conscious mind to hit the body with something its more primal parts understand better than the mere disapproval of the conscious mind, which it doesn't seem to much care about. (I'm actually a bit concerned it might be too effective. It may be the case that anyone wise enough to properly use one has alrea…

Friends of mine have convinced me to donate ~$2,000 to a particularly odious political cause whenever I perform certain actions, like drinking alcohol or smoking cigarettes outside of their allotted times. I have found this to be remarkably effective in speaking the unconscious brain's language.

Also, this thing exists: https://pavlok.com/

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Post by John_KZ »

mtgx wrote: post #90
ILikeConemowk wrote: post #63

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>I hope that we can grow beyond changing ourselves to fit the algorithm I personally think you are in for a very rude awakening. This is exactly what people are trying not to do with Machine Learning. It is always, almost, about profiling you, about finding out who you are in order to offer you what you already know, to limit your horizon, to "tailor" your "experience" and the span of possibilities. As a very technic…

Also, China is moving in the exact opposite direction with the Perfect Citizen system by trying to change people's behavior with the help of algorithms. Senator Grassley also said yesterday at the very end of the Zuckerberg hearing that he hopes someone with Zuck's influence and other such platforms would do something to "reduce the cynicism people have towards Congress." That sounded pretty scary. I get that the mai…

For me the realization that politicians just accept and use facebook for their own means instead of being opposed to it was a really bitter realization.

I was hoping that when they started realizing the potential, they'd feel threatened and require it to cease working that way. Instead they all run PR campaigns on social media, and they probably collect data on their voters too if they can. It's just too disgusting to bear. Not just the US either, this is happening all across Europe.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

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Post by John_KZ »

jackgolding wrote: post #16

Has anyone else noticed how much this min-maxing is effecting all different areas of the world? I played the last World of Warcraft expansion and got to the stage where I could start raiding (Blizzard is trying to make this easier to break into for casual players) and 95% of raiders only wanted to raid with those who had already done the raid before and had an item level higher than anything the raid drops! I find th…

The uncontrolled/unchecked monetary incentive is starting to cause things to get out of controll.

I recently spotted a channel that features what seems to be animal traps (for mice, snakes, fish etc). All of their videos have hundreds of thousands of views, and all are 100% fake. It's hard to know if you're not outdoortsy, but they're all fake. Essentially they're not just producing garbage content, they're also intentionally damaging the perception and world model of the people watching their videos. Why is this "allowed" to run? Why aren't the knowledgable people calling them out? Because Youtube completely destroyed the comment feedback system. Negative comments and critisism is burried, new comments and unpopular/harsh comment are deranked, so all you get is dumb catchy comments that increase view time.

Of course this is only the top of the iceburg in a sea of garbage content, but it shows where we're heading, and it'll only get worse with the proliferation of machine learning tools, especially lifelike text-to-speech technologies.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

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Post by Volt »

ILikeConemowk wrote: post #91
mtgx wrote: post #90

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Also, China is moving in the exact opposite direction with the Perfect Citizen system by trying to change people's behavior with the help of algorithms. Senator Grassley also said yesterday at the very end of the Zuckerberg hearing that he hopes someone with Zuck's influence and other such platforms would do something to "reduce the cynicism people have towards Congress." That sounded pretty scary. I get that the mai…

>but asking companies to actively try to influence how people think about their governments This is what many don't understand, or don't want to understand, this is why some big players are pissed at Facebook, very very pissed. She was supposed to win, they had to help her win. https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/56638#efmAAGAA2... https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/19070 https://wikileaks.org/pode…

Is that the proof? How weak.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

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Post by Volt »

jerf wrote: post #110
douglaswlance wrote: post #105

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Why soulless? Your life is what you make it. Build meaning yourself.

I've always found it a bit odd when people are singing elegies to the joys of human contact in... a supermarket checkout line. There's no point in my life in which that was a serious source of "human contact" and I think anyone who can't say that has a problem that needs immediate addressing. One that can't be fixed by complaining about how impersonal shopping is now. I do see human contact in the grocery store... it…

It's like the difference between working in your bedroom and working in a coffee shop. Sometimes you just want to be around other people.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

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Post by acjohnson55 »

tjr225 wrote: post #128
acjohnson55 wrote: post #104

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But even the modern grocery store is soulless, compared to what preceded it. In my typical trip, I talk with no one.

I go to the same cashier every Tuesday. Yesterday was Yolanda's "Friday," and she was very excited for the "weekend." She asked me how my camping trip went. She was going to have tacos for dinner. If you choose to value relationships with the people around you then the world doesn't have to have changed very much at all.

Yeah, but there are many ways to achieve this without the grocery store. There's nothing special about it as an irreplaceable social hub.

My point is, compared to going to the butcher and baker, who are artisans running businesses that are to some extent expressions of theirselves and maybe even their heritage, a supermarket is relatively soulless.

Save the time and do something like dance, art, or sports.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

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Post by glaberficken »

gambiting wrote: post #103
glaberficken wrote: post #77

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Which makes me think... ...would someone be willing to develop a content recommendation engine that filters out all the bullshit on the web? Especially valuable would be one that is also immune to "filter bubble" effects.

>> that filters out all the bullshit on the web? The problem is that your definition of bullshit might be different than mine, so any filter you come up with will have issues.

>"your definition of bullshit might be different than mine" Yes of course, but maybe for such a tool we could agree first on a definition of bullshit and try to stick to it?

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

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Post by pmuk »

sp332 wrote: post #131
pmuk wrote: post #130

I’ve been uploading more content to YouTube recently and I noticed that their AI automatically picks the video frame that has the most exaggerated facial expression and uses this as the default thumbnail. This is probably why YouTube face appears to be everywhere! You can see it on this video: https://youtu.be/qhV4xCmPy4g I didn’t upload this thumbnail, YouTube picked it. If you looked through the video manually you…

Since you can't actually see the thumbnail on the video page (at least not on the desktop version): https://imgur.com/a/ohmLc

Thanks, I forgot that it just starts playing without the thumbnail.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

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Post by unknownkadath »

ILikeConemowk wrote: post #108
unknownkadath wrote: post #101

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There's a science fiction novel inside of your comment that I would like to read.

Is this a suggestion or light sarcasm? Perhaps was my comment too hypothetical? :]

100% serious suggestion! :)

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

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Post by jackgolding »

lossolo wrote: post #138
jackgolding wrote: post #16

Has anyone else noticed how much this min-maxing is effecting all different areas of the world? I played the last World of Warcraft expansion and got to the stage where I could start raiding (Blizzard is trying to make this easier to break into for casual players) and 95% of raiders only wanted to raid with those who had already done the raid before and had an item level higher than anything the raid drops! I find th…

> I played the last World of Warcraft expansion and got to the stage where I could start raiding (Blizzard is trying to make this easier to break into for casual players) and 95% of raiders only wanted to raid with those who had already done the raid before and had an item level higher than anything the raid drops! I was Raid Leader and Guild leader (my guild was second on the server) in WoW and it was always like th…

Yeah I was talking about LFR I think
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