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Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

#101

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Yes I think you are right. Just today for example, many people seemed encouraged when Zuckerberg said facebook would have AI to effectively and automatically block hate speech in 5-10 years. And while it's hard to be, "oh no think of the poor hate speech!" that tech is actually very scary when you start thinking about how much it can be abused. The first thing we'd probably do with cuttlefish suits anyways is stick a…

>oh no think of the poor hate speech This is an easy target. Whenever you get that argument you go all: "it's a bit unsettling that you find censor-happy human-out-of-the-loop algorimhms good, but I thank you for you honesty." Then you recall that you are a programmer: "you know what, I should definitely program an algorithm that censors all positive talk about censor-happy human-out-of-the-loop algorithms. Thanks fo…

There's a science fiction novel inside of your comment that I would like to read.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

#103

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>I hope that we can grow beyond changing ourselves to fit the algorithm I personally think you are in for a very rude awakening. This is exactly what people are trying not to do with Machine Learning. It is always, almost, about profiling you, about finding out who you are in order to offer you what you already know, to limit your horizon, to "tailor" your "experience" and the span of possibilities. As a very technic…

Which makes me think... ...would someone be willing to develop a content recommendation engine that filters out all the bullshit on the web? Especially valuable would be one that is also immune to "filter bubble" effects.

>> that filters out all the bullshit on the web?

The problem is that your definition of bullshit might be different than mine, so any filter you come up with will have issues.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

#104

Has anyone else noticed how much this min-maxing is effecting all different areas of the world? I played the last World of Warcraft expansion and got to the stage where I could start raiding (Blizzard is trying to make this easier to break into for casual players) and 95% of raiders only wanted to raid with those who had already done the raid before and had an item level higher than anything the raid drops! I find th…

I was talking with a colleague at the coffee machine, telling him how this weekend I went to the supermarket to do the groceries, and how it was a pain to carry bags around. He replied 'I haven't stepped in a supermarket in months, I do all my groceries online. It is much more efficient'. I have to admit I felt dumb for not optimising my time like he does. But reflecting on it, I feel sad that our private time is bec…

But even the modern grocery store is soulless, compared to what preceded it. In my typical trip, I talk with no one.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

#105

Has anyone else noticed how much this min-maxing is effecting all different areas of the world? I played the last World of Warcraft expansion and got to the stage where I could start raiding (Blizzard is trying to make this easier to break into for casual players) and 95% of raiders only wanted to raid with those who had already done the raid before and had an item level higher than anything the raid drops! I find th…

I was talking with a colleague at the coffee machine, telling him how this weekend I went to the supermarket to do the groceries, and how it was a pain to carry bags around. He replied 'I haven't stepped in a supermarket in months, I do all my groceries online. It is much more efficient'. I have to admit I felt dumb for not optimising my time like he does. But reflecting on it, I feel sad that our private time is bec…

Why soulless? Your life is what you make it. Build meaning yourself.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

#106

Has anyone else noticed how much this min-maxing is effecting all different areas of the world? I played the last World of Warcraft expansion and got to the stage where I could start raiding (Blizzard is trying to make this easier to break into for casual players) and 95% of raiders only wanted to raid with those who had already done the raid before and had an item level higher than anything the raid drops! I find th…

I was talking with a colleague at the coffee machine, telling him how this weekend I went to the supermarket to do the groceries, and how it was a pain to carry bags around. He replied 'I haven't stepped in a supermarket in months, I do all my groceries online. It is much more efficient'. I have to admit I felt dumb for not optimising my time like he does. But reflecting on it, I feel sad that our private time is bec…

To provide an opposite opinion, I know I can do all of my groceries online, but I enjoy the experience of going grocery shopping. I like picking out my own produce and meat and seeing what's there. Sometimes I see something, buy it, and look up later how to make something with it. I don't get the same experience online. But I also like making food and try to make things from scratch. Is it efficient? Not in the least? It's an experience I enjoy though.

Your private time is just that, yours. I tried doing the over optimizing and in the end, it stressed me out way too much.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

#107

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>I hope that we can grow beyond changing ourselves to fit the algorithm I personally think you are in for a very rude awakening. This is exactly what people are trying not to do with Machine Learning. It is always, almost, about profiling you, about finding out who you are in order to offer you what you already know, to limit your horizon, to "tailor" your "experience" and the span of possibilities. As a very technic…

Yes I think you are right. Just today for example, many people seemed encouraged when Zuckerberg said facebook would have AI to effectively and automatically block hate speech in 5-10 years. And while it's hard to be, "oh no think of the poor hate speech!" that tech is actually very scary when you start thinking about how much it can be abused. The first thing we'd probably do with cuttlefish suits anyways is stick a…

>And while it's hard to be, "oh no think of the poor hate speech!" that tech is actually very scary when you start thinking about how much it can be abused.

Of course it will be abused, and it will be abused from the outset. The powers that be already define hate speech vs dissent, propaganda vs news, terrorists vs. freedom fighters, scientism vs science, et cetera.

Big Tech and Western governments together control of the flow of information. Previously, the blue-flavored regime held that control and abused it terribly. Now, the red-flavored regime has it, and people are finally noticing. God help us if people far, far worse gain that control in the future and start defining what is unacceptable speech.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

#108

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>oh no think of the poor hate speech This is an easy target. Whenever you get that argument you go all: "it's a bit unsettling that you find censor-happy human-out-of-the-loop algorimhms good, but I thank you for you honesty." Then you recall that you are a programmer: "you know what, I should definitely program an algorithm that censors all positive talk about censor-happy human-out-of-the-loop algorithms. Thanks fo…

There's a science fiction novel inside of your comment that I would like to read.

Is this a suggestion or light sarcasm?

Perhaps was my comment too hypothetical? :]

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

#109

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>I hope that we can grow beyond changing ourselves to fit the algorithm I personally think you are in for a very rude awakening. This is exactly what people are trying not to do with Machine Learning. It is always, almost, about profiling you, about finding out who you are in order to offer you what you already know, to limit your horizon, to "tailor" your "experience" and the span of possibilities. As a very technic…

Which makes me think... ...would someone be willing to develop a content recommendation engine that filters out all the bullshit on the web? Especially valuable would be one that is also immune to "filter bubble" effects.

It is impossible to be immune to filter bubble effects. The only way to be immune is to not filter at all (can't be in a filter bubble if you don't have a filter), but you can't do that. Even keeping up entirely with lil' ol' HN would tax you, and I don't know how many zeros to put in the 0.0000001% but HN is not very much of "the internet".

If you think you've got yourself into a situation where you're immune to the filter bubble, that just means you've created one so comfortable that you never get prodded by anything.

Re: YouTube Face is clickbait, attaining human form

#110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was talking with a colleague at the coffee machine, telling him how this weekend I went to the supermarket to do the groceries, and how it was a pain to carry bags around. He replied 'I haven't stepped in a supermarket in months, I do all my groceries online. It is much more efficient'. I have to admit I felt dumb for not optimising my time like he does. But reflecting on it, I feel sad that our private time is bec…

Why soulless? Your life is what you make it. Build meaning yourself.

I've always found it a bit odd when people are singing elegies to the joys of human contact in... a supermarket checkout line. There's no point in my life in which that was a serious source of "human contact" and I think anyone who can't say that has a problem that needs immediate addressing. One that can't be fixed by complaining about how impersonal shopping is now.

I do see human contact in the grocery store... it's between the employees of the store, who know each other, and actually have some sort of relationship, not with the faceless masses that transiently stream through. Of course they don't get to just chat the whole time, but humans being humans, they manage to find some time.

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