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We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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I think this is the core of a very interesting idea.

expanding... - call it Automated, Permissioned Grassroots Campaigning - Users permit designated Orgs to post on their behalf on social media and other online forums - Users guide priorities & tone of posts - ML for content generation - Aided by collaborative computer-human workflow

Add a pinch of Blockchain for funding

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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Obama expanded the program, yes. He did not create it. And also, many other groups I donate to are just swamping me with non-NSA stuff related to Trump and the GOP, so that's also what I meant. But still, yes, I feel democrats have a better chance of at least listening to constituent concerns about privacy. The GOP wallies about small government, except for the military and they view the NSA/FBI/CIA as the same. But…

I think this misrepresents the split. Trump's views on privacy are obvious and awful, yes - he has Sessions as AG. But Dianne Feinstein is one of the fiercest surveillance advocates in Congress. Hillary Clinton had vastly more support from intelligence agencies than Trump did, and refused to condemn what was described in the Snowden releases. Meanwhile, Rand Paul ended bulk phone record collection for a few hours in…

> Rand Paul ... Bernie Sanders made similar promises from the far opposite end of the spectrum.

Referring to Libertarian and left-libertarian as opposite ends of the spectrum is a grave disservice, and feeds directly into our contemporary fallacious polarization.

Either view it as a two-dimensional circle, or just ignore the secondary "Left"-"Right" marketing and analyze the primary characteristic of libertarian-authoritarian.

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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Are you implying that the more species in existance the better? If so why?

Do you want to live in a world without any other living things? How many living things do you want? Is life less interesting if there are only two types of living beings? I think that the world as we know it is valuable to us because we enjoy it, and nothing more. If we can't appreciate the beauty of life (most of us can't persist on the pure beauty of mathematics or conceptual analysis), what's the point?

Yes, this sounds a lot like a Mars colony.

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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>"Bonus points if you give it a name involving patriotism, freedom, economic or personal health, or a backromym that spells out the same." Indeed, and this "cognitive dissonance" technique is so widespread now that you can generally invert the message to find out the actual intention of the legislation is. Examples: If you are cutting taxes for the wealthy donor class say it is bill to "help the middle class and the…

It's hardly so black and white, and people's failure to recognize this and operate in a respectful middle ground is a large factor in our current situation (which is worsening). We've assimilated so many political positions into our cultural signaling subroutines that almost every issue is seen as "identity politics" nowadays. This occurs by design, because political profiteers are profited by creating clear boogeyme…

People aren't arguing against Conservative values though. They're arguing against the Republican party. How can you negotiate with a group of people that don't argue in good faith?

For example, the Democrats compromised on deficits. The Republicans insisted - deficits are important. Okay, we disagree. However, we'll respect some deficit rules to help keep it down. Okay.

Hey, Republicans have majority! First thing to do, massively increase deficits!

Let's now re-negotiate with that side?

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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Is anyone else fatigued? The effort required, ontop of just having a normal functioning life, to parse and make decisions around potential future law is incredible. Isn't this what elected officials are ment to do on our behalf?

I wonder what would happen if everyone advocating against these individual things put all of those fights on hold and spent every bit of lobbying effort into campaign finance reform.

Maybe if there were a consensus about how to reform campaign finance...

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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Is there plan to bombard the american public on so many fronts that they accept mass surveillance? What the actual fuck is wrong with this country.

With their revealed preferences, people have signaled that they want convenience more than privacy. Really, surveillance barely even seems necessary any more. People already voluntarily tell Facebook, Uber, Instagram, Amazon and their credit cards companies every detail of their lives. I'm not even sure we can reasonably stop that. The issue to me isn't so much people gathering data, because it's obvious that will ha…

Something that startles me is the number of Telegram users who get openly angry when Telegram pushes a security or privacy update instead of an update with random new features.

It just blows my mind that there are people who actually exist -- a lot of them -- who want animated stickers that much more more than anything at all privacy or security related.

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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I have a deep moral opposition to this kind of spying, and making it more difficult is an end in and of itself. I also don't consider them terribly uncomfortable, but that is my opinion and no one else's. I also personally would prefer not to be spied on. I do not want my day-to-day activities monitored by anyone but myself. In the event that the government starts curtailing freedoms or particular kinds of behavior a…

>So I guess my threat model is "generalized spying" In this case, you should be proactive not only against NSA, but GOOG, FB, your ISP etc. You should look into Tails OS if you haven't already.

Good point, and in fact I am.

My Instagram account is long gone, my Facebook account will be gone before the end of the month (I use it once a week at most anyway), and I've long since stopped using any Google account for anything. I run multiple browser extensions that help me delete cookies, block Javascript, etc. The VPN should hopefully take care of my ISP. It try to avoid even sending emails to Gmail accounts.

I haven't tried Tails, but I will look into it when I get some time free.

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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And FISA reauthorization always happens a few days before Christmas. Californians, remember to vote Feinstein out in the Democratic primary . She's been one of the main champions of this bill and type of mass surveillance (as well as the anti-encryption bills, which she's not giving up). It's probably one of the reasons why she decided to go back on her promise not to run again, so she can pass it once more in a few…

There isn't a Democratic primary in California, their system is ridiculous. All candidates are in the primary, the top two are on the ballot. Last election had two Democrats against each other, one of them got 19% of the primary vote. Getting Feinstein off the ballot is nearly impossible.

What's ridiculous about that system. It sounds refreshing to have an electoral process not structured around political parties.

And why does this system make it harder to get Feinstein off the ballot?

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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Is anyone else fatigued? The effort required, ontop of just having a normal functioning life, to parse and make decisions around potential future law is incredible. Isn't this what elected officials are ment to do on our behalf?

They count on our fatigue and ignorance.

Re: We Only Have Hours Left to Stop the NSA Expansion Bill

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Yes, we are all fatigued, and that is how they win. Can't get your Bill through? Rename it and submit again. Still won't work? Tack it onto a Medicaid / NASA funding bill. Still won't get through? Change the wording so that it becomes more vague and open to interpretation in your favour and start again. Bonus points if you give it a name involving patriotism, freedom, economic or personal health, or a backromym that…

How can we fight against these patterns? Amendments? Force bills to be broken up? Only allow a bill to be submitted once a decade? Our system is definitely broken, but I have no idea what type of changes might prevent these abuses

> I have no idea what type of changes might prevent these abuses

As long as a human or group of humans is capable of removing choices for others, there is will be no possible idea of how to prevent the abuse.

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