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iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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post #128

Oh I glad there is still someone at Apple who understood its insanity. If only they made it generate a bit more sensible alias names. UPD: I obviously mean alias addresses template make most of them too easy to recognize.

Can't the aliases be renamed?

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Just checked, they can. Phew. If the forwarding alias was detectable/always used the same schema, that'd also make them borderline useless, just like the `privaterelay` subdomain

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#132
post #113

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So any mail to anyrandomstring@yourdomain.com is actually received? Sounds like something that works great when only you do it, but might quickly be abused if it catches on?

If you do this you immediately get thousands of emails a day from bots trying common first names etc. Much better to maintain an explicit list of names you're currently allowing.

I do this and have done for over a decade (and used to from about 1998 to 2006 when I ran my own mail server), and don't receive any emails like this

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#133
post #36

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Marketing turds can't just block registrations from all of @icloud.com.

Can they block registrations from @private.icloud.com?

Yes, they would have been able to if the proposal had gone ahead.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#134

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Why do you want this. Is it a benefit to you? If it is why should you not pay for that benefit? Nothing is free.

You say nothing is free, but Amazon, Discord, Dropbox, Facebook, GitHub, Google, Instagram, Microsoft, Paypal, Reddit, Slack, Steam, TikTok, Twitter etc all offer it for free. Plus, it's not for the dev, it's for the users of the website.

It's not free - you're agreeing for them to track and advertise to your customers. Apple does not do that with your Apple login data.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#135
post #128

Oh I glad there is still someone at Apple who understood its insanity. If only they made it generate a bit more sensible alias names. UPD: I obviously mean alias addresses template make most of them too easy to recognize.

Can't the aliases be renamed? --- Just checked, they can. Phew. If the forwarding alias was detectable/always used the same schema, that'd also make them borderline useless, just like the `privaterelay` subdomain

What do you mean renamed? Alias address certainly are not changeable. You can randomize next one from 2-3 options, but most of them still follow pattern that is easy to recognize.

PS: I guess its just misunderstsnding and I really meant addresses themself are not human-like enough.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#136
post #125
post #58

This is a huge selling point. Private email relays often get blocked, the only lasting solution is to put them on the same domain as, and in the same format as, a significant number of non-private email addresses. As far as I’m aware the only other provider doing this is Fastmail. Comments about lock-in aren’t wrong, but it has to be this way. You can make arbitrary email addresses at your own domain, but anybody who…

> You can make arbitrary email addresses at your own domain, but anybody who feels like it can trivially automatically detect that those are all you. You assume that the domain is used by one person or what? Also, the point of these is typically to prevent spam. Noone is going to spend a fraction of a cent or second to try and figure out who is behind the adress.

> You assume that the domain is used by one person or what?

Yes. It's not a guarantee but you can identify several strong signals that suggest that.

> point is to prevent spam

also yes

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#138

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Case in point: many websites block all VPN except iCloud Private Relay. Thank you Apple!

I don't think websites block Google's VPN either, although that's not quite as popular as Apple's VPN solution.

Google VPN is only on Pixel phones now. It also only available in few countries.

Its only upside was a fact that it was actual VPN for all the apps while AFAIK private relay limited to Safari.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#139
post #68
post #61

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Apple is luxury big tech. In this day and age, privacy is luxury, so that's what they sell. I don't think there are any ethical motivations for them (or any other large corporation - none of them have morals so they cannot act morally). It's just that there's a market niche, so it will be filled by someone.

It’s an additional layer of wall for their walled garden to keep the technically proficient users that are more likely to hop walls.

Technically proficient users can figure out their own solutions for throwaway emails e.g. aforementioned Fastmail.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#140
post #34

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For the "hide my email" feature, Apple currently and has always used "@icloud.com". This masks you amongst all iCloud users. They were planning to change it to a custom domain, which would allow sites to easily filter out and reject "Hide my email" users based on the email. They have now reverted their plans to change this, meaning "hide my email" is still "@icloud.com".

Except the post says it will be @private.icloud.com Whereas people's Apple emails are often at @icloud.com So I don't think it masks you amongst all iCloud users. I'm confused how this is much better!

The post says that "Sign in with Apple" will issue emails on @private.icloud.com but "Hide my email" will continue issuing addresses on @icloud.com

These are two separate services. The problem was with the latter not the former. If the service decides to block @private.icloud.com they might as well remove Apple's sign in button.

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