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iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by _zoltan_ »

_ks3e wrote: post #60
ninkendo wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

private.icloud.com (née privaterelay.appleid.com) is the address for “Sign In With Apple”, which is an oauth-style service that sites opt into to let you use your Apple ID to sign in. Sites offering this as a signup option are already aware it gives users an option to use a private anonymized email address. The toplevel “Hide My Email” iCloud feature is a different thing, can be done independently of a SIWA flow (you…

Not arbitrarily many aliases - there's a limit of (as of two or three weeks ago) 768.

I wonder how a single user runs into that.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by michaelt »

tonyhart7 wrote: post #63
int_19h wrote: post #61

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Apple is luxury big tech. In this day and age, privacy is luxury, so that's what they sell. I don't think there are any ethical motivations for them (or any other large corporation - none of them have morals so they cannot act morally). It's just that there's a market niche, so it will be filled by someone.

money from advertising basically dwarf user lifetime purchase of privacy tax you mentioned

The ad business has a lot of people chasing after the same ad spend.

Superbowl ads, TV ads, radio ads, print ads, billboard ads, public transit ads, youtube ads, podcast ads, search ads, e-mail ads, social media ads, in-app ads, in-store ads, sports team sponsorship, individual athlete sponsorship, stadium naming, product placement ads, elevator ads, cinema ads, bathroom ads.

And Coca-Cola doesn't increase their advertising budget just because someone finds a new place to slap ads on - they just re-allocate their spending.

Sure, Google and Facebook make a good chunk of money from ads. But it's a very, very competitive business.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by setopt »

r4ndomname wrote: post #90
jiveturkey wrote: post #86

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But all 3 of those use cases, plus privacy, can be addressed with word.salad@bigdomain.com. So you may as well get the privacy bit in there.

True, but it requires setting up a mailbox at bigdomain.com for every use case. With your own domain you can just setup a catchall mainbox like catchemall@yourdomain.com and don’t even need to remember any mailbox@bigdomain.com name. Just use github@ and it will be automatically be catched by your catchall.

So any mail to anyrandomstring@yourdomain.com is actually received? Sounds like something that works great when only you do it, but might quickly be abused if it catches on?

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by astafrig »

TheDong wrote: post #92
ezfe wrote: post #87

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ublock origin is supported by Safari

ublock origin _lite_ https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/uBlock-Origin-works-b... I also can't use Safari because I want my tabs and bookmarks to sync between my desktop machine (linux) and my phone (iOS), and Safari is the only major browser which can't do that. Not to mention Safari is just an inferior browser which seems possibly designed to hold back Progressive Web Apps so that everyone has to make app-store…

The only thing Safari seems inferior at is draining batteries.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by pasc1878 »

aareet wrote: post #91
dilyevsky wrote: post #35

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how is the user being held hostage? you can redirect hide my email addresses to any domain

I think the other answers are misinterpreting your question. A user is held "hostage" because unlike fastmail where the format is word.salad@yourdomain; if you ever wanted to ditch iCloud completely, you'd have to go through every single account you used it for and update the email. As someone who has shed his gmail account I can tell you it's not easy to update email address on every site you've ever used it on. The…

Yes you can do word.salad@yourdomain with fastmail but that ius no different to other mail providers.

What the above comments re fastmail is about their masked email service this gives addresses like @fastmail.com so this is the same lockin as Apple with the same benefits of noone is going to block that domain.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by dcminter »

setopt wrote: post #113
r4ndomname wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, but it requires setting up a mailbox at bigdomain.com for every use case. With your own domain you can just setup a catchall mainbox like catchemall@yourdomain.com and don’t even need to remember any mailbox@bigdomain.com name. Just use github@ and it will be automatically be catched by your catchall.

So any mail to anyrandomstring@yourdomain.com is actually received? Sounds like something that works great when only you do it, but might quickly be abused if it catches on?

If you do this you immediately get thousands of emails a day from bots trying common first names etc.

Much better to maintain an explicit list of names you're currently allowing.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by Keirmot »

bni wrote: post #107

As I user of this service I like this. However filtering for these hide my e-mail addresses is quite easy if you are motivated to do it, they have a recognizable pattern.

They do, but then your net can get false positives. Even if unlikely, someone can have the email potent-tomatoq4@icloud.com

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by jeroenhd »

HeavenFox wrote: post #40
hollow-moe wrote: post #11

Using icloud.com domain for legit and hidden adresses is such a typical Apple strategy of holding their own users and "others" (ie. other web services, other users etc) hostage simultaneously. But at least here it is actually a good reason that works for the user.

Case in point: many websites block all VPN except iCloud Private Relay. Thank you Apple!

I don't think websites block Google's VPN either, although that's not quite as popular as Apple's VPN solution.
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