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iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by int_19h »

consumer451 wrote: post #44
HeavenFox wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Case in point: many websites block all VPN except iCloud Private Relay. Thank you Apple!

Seriously, Apple is "big tech," but they are the only one that appears to give a crap about privacy at all. And really, they put a lot of money and effort into it. We need to give kudos when they are due. Apple's Private Cloud Compute should have won some kind of Nobel Privacy Prize, which for some reason does not yet exist.

Apple is luxury big tech.

In this day and age, privacy is luxury, so that's what they sell.

I don't think there are any ethical motivations for them (or any other large corporation - none of them have morals so they cannot act morally). It's just that there's a market niche, so it will be filled by someone.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by int_19h »

MBCook wrote: post #23
Marsymars wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The bounce rate of what, exactly? Because the bounce rate of Hide My Email addresses being deliverable is going to rise over time, by design. Whenever I start getting spam at an address that's been leaked, I deactivate it. I've done the same with my oldest gmail account, but the work required there is notably higher.

If they were moved to plain old icloud.com, I could absolutely see a bunch of companies starting to filter out all icloud.com email addresses to avoid private relay. Either just because they’re jerks or from bounce issues. Keeping it on a subdomain fixes that problem, to some degree. If the user is named ffjvhtu57325cjdjvg501a2@icloud.com no one is going to think that’s a real address. It’s very obviously a private o…

> If they were moved to plain old icloud.com, I could absolutely see a bunch of companies starting to filter out all icloud.com email addresses to avoid private relay.

I couldn't. "Uses Apple products" is one of the more reliable signals of willingness and ability to spend money on stuff online.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#63

Post by tonyhart7 »

int_19h wrote: post #61
consumer451 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, Apple is "big tech," but they are the only one that appears to give a crap about privacy at all. And really, they put a lot of money and effort into it. We need to give kudos when they are due. Apple's Private Cloud Compute should have won some kind of Nobel Privacy Prize, which for some reason does not yet exist.

Apple is luxury big tech. In this day and age, privacy is luxury, so that's what they sell. I don't think there are any ethical motivations for them (or any other large corporation - none of them have morals so they cannot act morally). It's just that there's a market niche, so it will be filled by someone.

money from advertising basically dwarf user lifetime purchase of privacy tax you mentioned

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by LPisGood »

scosman wrote: post #43

it will still be on "private.icloud.com". Just as filterable...

Others have addressed the validity of your comment, but I’d like to discuss another aspect. Even if it is filter, I think most people would not want to filter. Apple makes it very easy to use private relay and many people that buy Apple products do use private relay. Even if you know, it’s a private relay email address, surely you want a user who buys expensive technology products to use your website in almost all circumstances.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#65

Post by glenngillen »

kqp wrote: post #58

This is a huge selling point. Private email relays often get blocked, the only lasting solution is to put them on the same domain as, and in the same format as, a significant number of non-private email addresses. As far as I’m aware the only other provider doing this is Fastmail. Comments about lock-in aren’t wrong, but it has to be this way. You can make arbitrary email addresses at your own domain, but anybody who…

Totally agree with unique at own domain isn't actually privacy. It wouldn't take much of a paper trail to work out the details.

I continue to use it everywhere for a few reasons:

- if someone emails me acting all friendly like we've had some previous relationship but it's sent to linked@mydomain or github@mydomain I know they've just scraped my contact details and it's spam

- similarly, if a vendor leaks or sells my data and I start receiving marketing from somewhere I don't expect it's easier to trace the source of the leak (and in some cases just blackhole that entire email address)

- I already use a password manager and have different passwords on every site, but having a different email address too raises the barrier further for someone trying to script an automated attack based off some other pwned data set.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by 8cvor6j844qw_d6 »

kqp wrote: post #58

This is a huge selling point. Private email relays often get blocked, the only lasting solution is to put them on the same domain as, and in the same format as, a significant number of non-private email addresses. As far as I’m aware the only other provider doing this is Fastmail. Comments about lock-in aren’t wrong, but it has to be this way. You can make arbitrary email addresses at your own domain, but anybody who…

> This is a huge selling point.

Same thoughts. I'm annoyed with the number of services that blocks alias domains.

At least I don't see services attempting to block @icloud.com domains.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

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Post by DarmokTanagra »

I use hide my email and single use credit card numbers all the time, its a fantastic system combined with some basic email forwarding rules.

Yes, vendor lock in sucks, but I have $20k worth of apple hardware already so that ship has sailed and overall Im pretty happy with it.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#68

Post by saretup »

int_19h wrote: post #61
consumer451 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, Apple is "big tech," but they are the only one that appears to give a crap about privacy at all. And really, they put a lot of money and effort into it. We need to give kudos when they are due. Apple's Private Cloud Compute should have won some kind of Nobel Privacy Prize, which for some reason does not yet exist.

Apple is luxury big tech. In this day and age, privacy is luxury, so that's what they sell. I don't think there are any ethical motivations for them (or any other large corporation - none of them have morals so they cannot act morally). It's just that there's a market niche, so it will be filled by someone.

It’s an additional layer of wall for their walled garden to keep the technically proficient users that are more likely to hop walls.

Re: iCloud+ Hide My Email addresses will remain on icloud.com

#69

Post by tingletech »

this opens some crazy "apple developer" dialog on my mac rather than a web page. I had to crank up chrome to read it. And it makes no sense, I have no clue what a sign on with apple address is. I guess I'm glad my hide my email addresses won't change because that would be a PITA.
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