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NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by rngname22 »

notsound wrote: post #121
rngname22 wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One that doesn't create millions of bits of floating microplastics in your home and lungs.

You've mentioned this a couple times. I don't have an opinion on the subject, and a random comment doesn't really tell me anything. It would be good to link some solid studies so people can understand the risks. If you don't have those, maybe reconsider your point.

I don't feel the need to do so at this point, but I do feel the moral imperative to spread the alarm on a disastrous industrial process (when precautions are not taken) that many in the maker movement are woefully unaware of, the same way I would if I suddenly became aware of the dangers of asbestos and was on my way to work when I overheard a conversation among hobbyists about spraying asbestos foam around in their bedrooms without much knowledge of it.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by rom4ster »

pandemicsoul wrote: post #60
gorbachev wrote: post #17

That amendment is so overly broad the author should be forced to re-take some sort of how to draft bills class. It would require fingerprinting for purchases of "certain 3D printers". What does that even mean? I guess the existing law defined what "firearm" means in the context of that law, but if I was a retailer selling 3D printers, I would have some serious questions about it. My 5-year-old entry level 3D printer…

It's so tiring to have these kinds of conversations with folks who do not understand the legislative process. There's no need to treat the legislator like an idiot. She's doing what EVERY legislator does, which is to identify a problem ("printed guns are a loophole in how we manage guns in this state") and saying she wants to find a solution to that problem. One mechanism by which legislators do that is by writing dr…

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Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by tinus_hn »

c22 wrote: post #110
tinus_hn wrote: post #11

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You can actually go all the way to the prohibition era and create the printer yourself, the designs are free.

Clearly any part that can be used in the construction of a 3d printer will need to be fingerprinted as well.

And then there needs to be some secret software that makes sure any 3D printer parts that are 3D printed are fingerprinted as well?

It’s 3d printers all the way down.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by c22 »

tinus_hn wrote: post #133
c22 wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly any part that can be used in the construction of a 3d printer will need to be fingerprinted as well.

And then there needs to be some secret software that makes sure any 3D printer parts that are 3D printed are fingerprinted as well? It’s 3d printers all the way down.

Not a secret, this was already required by the premise.

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Post by millzlane »

15155 wrote: post #125
millzlane wrote: post #123

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I can admit it only because I'm not right-wing at all. But I can see how I was convinced. >Does recognizing it as propaganda not take away some of the power it has over you? I would say now it does. I didn't recognize it as propaganda at the time. The way it was presented "seemed" logical at the time. There are large organized groups that are sort of trying to enact common sense gun laws and sometimes they suggest th…

> common sense What is "common sense?" Why is it a foregone conclusion that whatever proposal is automatically "common sense?"

In some cases, not all, The bills don't seem to address the crux of the issues. Instead, like most politicians do, they try for legislation that sounds good but don't address the problem of people already with guns and criminal enterprises that are making them[1] and selling them.

For instance, in my state, they changed the laws of where you can and can't carry. It's now more illegal to carry a gun on, say, for instance, school property. But it was already illegal. If our goal is to prevent gun deaths. This law does not prevent that from happening.

[1]https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/ghost...

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by notsound »

rngname22 wrote: post #131
notsound wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've mentioned this a couple times. I don't have an opinion on the subject, and a random comment doesn't really tell me anything. It would be good to link some solid studies so people can understand the risks. If you don't have those, maybe reconsider your point.

I don't feel the need to do so at this point, but I do feel the moral imperative to spread the alarm on a disastrous industrial process (when precautions are not taken) that many in the maker movement are woefully unaware of, the same way I would if I suddenly became aware of the dangers of asbestos and was on my way to work when I overheard a conversation among hobbyists about spraying asbestos foam around in their…

Raise the alarm with convincing evidence. Nobody is going to do anything if you don't bring evidence to the table (as you say, makers are woefully unaware of this). If you're just trolling, I highly recommend this defcon talk on how to do it better: https://youtube.com/watch?v=vcAHbvTlpKA

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by 15155 »

oxfordmale wrote: post #49
thelastparadise wrote: post #16

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At that point it seems simpler to turn a couple of sticks and some string into a bow and arrow.

Just get a brick....too late, now every brick needs to be barcoded with the biometric details of the purchaser. Such a law makes sense in countries like the UK, where it is extremely hard to get a gun as a normal civilian. The guns produced by 3D printer can be fired a limited number of time, and a long car drive allows you to buy a gun legally in the US.

Could a 3D printed firearm potentially allow the user to utilize the element of surprise to obtain an OEM firearm?

How many shots do you need for this use case?

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by 15155 »

karmakaze wrote: post #81

I was curious what NY does for purchasing a firearm and found this article[0] which says: > New York is now a point of contact state, meaning the New York State Police NICS Unit will process National Instant Criminal Background Checks (NICS) when a customer tries to purchase a firearm. NYSP NICS will contact the FBI to determine if the buyer qualifies to purchase the gun. So it's good to see that they're not imposing…

It's not "rent seeking" - the state doesn't need $9.. it's a poll tax designed to further inconvenience one from exercising their rights.
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