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NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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What is a good 3D printer?

One that doesn't create millions of bits of floating microplastics in your home and lungs.

You've mentioned this a couple times. I don't have an opinion on the subject, and a random comment doesn't really tell me anything. It would be good to link some solid studies so people can understand the risks. If you don't have those, maybe reconsider your point.

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Please, dear God, don't anyone tell them about sand-casting... Explanation for non-mechs: Make a shape out of wood with a chisel, push it into sand to make a void, melt Alu in a glorified BBQ, pour into sand to make a perfect replica of the wooden template. You can turn out 100 high quality "mechanical parts" in alloyed metal in the same time it takes to 3D print one in PLA.

Again with the casting in this thread. What parts are you imagining you can make this way? Modern small arms generally require quite good tolerances. If you aren't going for that (which you clearly aren't because you chose casting lol), just buy a pipe and move on.

Unfortunately your knowledge of industrial manufacturing processes might not be as strong as you think it is. The immediate evidence to consider is that people cast their own Warhammer desktop war-gaming miniatures at home: The feature accuracy of these is much higher than the milling accuracy of cheap ARmalite knock-offs.

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post #85

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Honestly I did the same thing with guns. All that propaganda about obama coming to take our guns had me hook, line, and sinker.

This is an interesting admission to me... Does recognizing it as propaganda not take away some of the power it has over you?

I can admit it only because I'm not right-wing at all. But I can see how I was convinced.

>Does recognizing it as propaganda not take away some of the power it has over you?

I would say now it does. I didn't recognize it as propaganda at the time. The way it was presented "seemed" logical at the time. There are large organized groups that are sort of trying to enact common sense gun laws and sometimes they suggest things that go a little to far but really don't seem to address the issue of criminals using guns. At the time I was seeing that and recognizing that as a threat.

I suppose I recognize it for what it is now 10 years later after my initial gun fever wore off. I'm a little smarter to advertising tactics now and much more conscious about my money. and then I saw how easily it was to dupe me, I sort of understand why so many people who aren't extreme right-wing can watch something like Fox and be "converted".

But I also can watch my local fox news and see how they're are running stories that are trying to convince the viewers that the city is crumbling, schools are shit, and crime is out of control.

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#124

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Honestly I did the same thing with guns. All that propaganda about obama coming to take our guns had me hook, line, and sinker.

Think how foolish you'd feel if a Beto O'Rourke got elected and then actually did what he said he'd do. I mean, if they tell you what they're planning to do (and they usually do), and you don't believe them...

I would feel a little foolish. But I really don't see the government doing a "give us your guns (property) or else." Every time I get a call from the NRA to donate because they're coming for my guns. I ask them jokingly "If they will give them up if the government comes knocking?" Then I jokingly tell them that I'm not concerned and The government doesn't want that smoke.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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post #85

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This is an interesting admission to me... Does recognizing it as propaganda not take away some of the power it has over you?

I can admit it only because I'm not right-wing at all. But I can see how I was convinced. >Does recognizing it as propaganda not take away some of the power it has over you? I would say now it does. I didn't recognize it as propaganda at the time. The way it was presented "seemed" logical at the time. There are large organized groups that are sort of trying to enact common sense gun laws and sometimes they suggest th…

> common sense

What is "common sense?"

Why is it a foregone conclusion that whatever proposal is automatically "common sense?"

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What makes a 3D printer different from a lathe or a CNC?

According to my casual Googling, metal lathes start out a lot more expensive than 3d printers. Wood lathes and CNC machines are surprisingly affordable though. So this seems like a good question.

Civil rights shouldn't generally hinge on affordability.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

#127

Are there any documented cases of people actually committing crimes with a 3D printed firearm?

This is almost certainly a reaction to the "Glock auto switch"[0]. They are used to convert semi-automatic Glock handguns to fully automatic (which is illegal without a tax stamp). They are very popular with criminals (typically gangs) in the US[1]. [0] - https://www.yeggi.com/q/glock+auto+switch/ [1] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock_switch

> which is illegal without a tax stamp

Or a Type 7 FFL w/ Class 3 SOT. Stamps are not obtainable post-1986, resulting in a de facto ban.

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#128

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Only illegal in certain states, not federally

It was federally illegal until 2013 if it's wasn't able to be detected by a metal detector: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Undetectable_Firearms_Act Some folks have tried to reintroduce it again. It's one of the few gun laws that even the NRA approved of.

..if you didn't include a piece of ferrous metal in the frame, which most folks specifically did to comply with that legislation.

Not to mention: a magazine and all ammunition is automatically detectable (visually and magnetically.)

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

#129

That amendment is so overly broad the author should be forced to re-take some sort of how to draft bills class. It would require fingerprinting for purchases of "certain 3D printers". What does that even mean? I guess the existing law defined what "firearm" means in the context of that law, but if I was a retailer selling 3D printers, I would have some serious questions about it. My 5-year-old entry level 3D printer…

It's so tiring to have these kinds of conversations with folks who do not understand the legislative process. There's no need to treat the legislator like an idiot. She's doing what EVERY legislator does, which is to identify a problem ("printed guns are a loophole in how we manage guns in this state") and saying she wants to find a solution to that problem. One mechanism by which legislators do that is by writing dr…

> it's to figure out how to solve the problem

Using this excuse for people who want to actively take your civil rights away is absurd. It's so tiring to argue against authoritarianism apologia time and time again.

>The legislator is not an expert in the issue

They have an entire team who can find experts on the issue. Yet they choose not to and go out with this haphazard blunderbuss this is.

So yes, treating the legislator like an idiot is exactly the right thing to do.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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post #85

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This is an interesting admission to me... Does recognizing it as propaganda not take away some of the power it has over you?

I can admit it only because I'm not right-wing at all. But I can see how I was convinced. >Does recognizing it as propaganda not take away some of the power it has over you? I would say now it does. I didn't recognize it as propaganda at the time. The way it was presented "seemed" logical at the time. There are large organized groups that are sort of trying to enact common sense gun laws and sometimes they suggest th…

Thanks for your very reasonable response :) I think recognizing these things - and more importantly how they affect us - is really important, so good for you
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