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NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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I should buy a 3D printer. At university I knew a man who said any time the government wanted to make something illegal to buy he felt a compulsion to buy it. I think I see what he means now.

Honestly I did the same thing with guns. All that propaganda about obama coming to take our guns had me hook, line, and sinker.

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I should buy a 3D printer. At university I knew a man who said any time the government wanted to make something illegal to buy he felt a compulsion to buy it. I think I see what he means now.

It's definitely not a bad time to join 3d printing industry. Much more mature than what it was even 5+ yrs ago

What’s a good use for them? I have been on the cusp of buying or building one for many years, but outside of the occasional desire to 3D print a random replacement or enhancement part for something, such as a new back for my minidisc player, which I can do via mail order 3D printing, all the examples at say Microcenter are just admittedly neat-looking but ultimately useless chintzy plastic goods.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should you 3d print an auto sear (a little bracket-looking thing) then you're in possession of a machine gun, which is illegal.

Why was this downvoted? The federal laws do state that "possession of specific machine gun parts is considered possession of a machine gun" Machine gun sears included. Also parts that convert a semi-automatic into a machine gun like a Lightening Link.

Because it's a non-sequitur.

Unregistered machine guns are illegal to possess regardless of how they were made.

3D printing an otherwise legal firearm is not illegal at the Federal level in the United States.

The exchange boils down to:

Comment: That isn't illegal.

Reply: well, if you do this other thing that's illegal, it is.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely not a bad time to join 3d printing industry. Much more mature than what it was even 5+ yrs ago

What is a good 3D printer?

Honestly, it depends on your budget and the features you want. My main workhorse right now is a Sovol SV06, one of the "it girl" printers of 2022. I own the Sovol, an Ender 3 v2, a Mingda Magician X and an AnyCubic Kobra Go. All of these printers work for me now, but that's because I've suffered the frustrating learning curve of 3D printers. For a newer 3D printing hobbyist I would latch onto a brand that offers a 90% or 100% assembled printer -- with a large community for aftermarket add-on buys or prints. Ender, Sovol, AnyCubic, Elegoo -- just look for the brands with massive communities. They tend to keep manufacturers accountable and creative.

So many companies are putting out "out of the box" wonder printers right now that I would just engage in a few weeks of YouTube watching. A printer release could come out tomorrow that completely changes the value proposition of whatever you were looking at. Funny enough, size matters -- if you want to print helmets in one piece, you have to look at larger printers.

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What makes a 3D printer different from a lathe or a CNC?

Good point, because without CNC, with 3d printers solely you couldn't do a firearm that do more of 1 shot. CNC are more "dangerous" for firearm production. This bill is a show of ignorance of the legislators.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FGC-9

Designed with the explicit intent of containing no parts that are regulated as firearm components in Europe. Including the barrel, which is manufactured using 3D printed jigs and a bench top power supply.

These are in active use right now, most notably by anti-junta rebels in Myanmar, who have literally been running print farms in the jungle to produce them.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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What next, they'll ban transporting 3D printers across state borders and have the cops go around knocking down doors hunting for unlicensed 3D printers? Otherwise people would just buy them interstate.

Ban stepper motors as the precursor to 3d printers. Shit, ban copper wire.

Don't worry, the New Feudalists are working on this.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

#57

What next, they'll ban transporting 3D printers across state borders and have the cops go around knocking down doors hunting for unlicensed 3D printers? Otherwise people would just buy them interstate.

Ban stepper motors as the precursor to 3d printers. Shit, ban copper wire.

And all the open-source firmware and hardware out there for making your own 3D printer...

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Virtually any 3D printer that isn't bottom-barrel Amazon crap can print off a pistol lower. So the same item that one can buy in 49 other states at Micro Center or via Amazon now requires the same process as acquiring a firearm -- another thing that New York state is loathe about.

No matter what you think about the potential of 3D printers, just consider that at any given time there are folds more people printing the Rocktopus or hose couplers than there are firearms.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely not a bad time to join 3d printing industry. Much more mature than what it was even 5+ yrs ago

What is a good 3D printer?

A Prusa is more reliable but more expensive than the entry level printers you'll see.

If you want a great DIY printer then VORON is the one to beat.

Lots of people love the Bamboolabs printers.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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That amendment is so overly broad the author should be forced to re-take some sort of how to draft bills class. It would require fingerprinting for purchases of "certain 3D printers". What does that even mean? I guess the existing law defined what "firearm" means in the context of that law, but if I was a retailer selling 3D printers, I would have some serious questions about it. My 5-year-old entry level 3D printer…

It's so tiring to have these kinds of conversations with folks who do not understand the legislative process. There's no need to treat the legislator like an idiot. She's doing what EVERY legislator does, which is to identify a problem ("printed guns are a loophole in how we manage guns in this state") and saying she wants to find a solution to that problem. One mechanism by which legislators do that is by writing draft bills and then helping it through the legislative process to be improved, sorta like how you'd write a draft essay for a college class and then go back for a second and third pass before submitting it. As part of this process, people who are in favor of no legislation will come forward, people who are in favor of strong legislation will come forward, she'll hear their advice and feedback. If she's lucky, the bill will be seen by a committee who will hold hearings and re-draft it.

When you see a "ready to go bill," it's either been through a dozen-step process in this legislative session OR it's been brought up in a dozen different sessions and been improved along the way as legislators have to re-introduce all the bills they are sponsoring in each legislative session.

The legislator is not an expert in the issue, and I doubt she's claiming she is. She's proposing the broad strokes of a solution to a problem she sees. The point is not to pass the bill in its current form – it's to figure out how to solve the problem, using this general idea as the starting point.

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