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NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by rngname22 »

constantly wrote: post #52
gotts wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely not a bad time to join 3d printing industry. Much more mature than what it was even 5+ yrs ago

What’s a good use for them? I have been on the cusp of buying or building one for many years, but outside of the occasional desire to 3D print a random replacement or enhancement part for something, such as a new back for my minidisc player, which I can do via mail order 3D printing, all the examples at say Microcenter are just admittedly neat-looking but ultimately useless chintzy plastic goods.

Emitting microplastic dust into your home.

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Post by webdoodle »

Ajay-p wrote: post #23

I should buy a 3D printer. At university I knew a man who said any time the government wanted to make something illegal to buy he felt a compulsion to buy it. I think I see what he means now.

Obama was the gun industries biggest salesman.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by eindiran »

giantg2 wrote: post #39
gorbachev wrote: post #17

That amendment is so overly broad the author should be forced to re-take some sort of how to draft bills class. It would require fingerprinting for purchases of "certain 3D printers". What does that even mean? I guess the existing law defined what "firearm" means in the context of that law, but if I was a retailer selling 3D printers, I would have some serious questions about it. My 5-year-old entry level 3D printer…

I also think the law is bad. I do want to point out that if you want to make durable parts with a 3D printer, the easiest thing to do would be to create the part with the printer, then use it to form a mold for casting the part out of metal. Then case harden. That's the cheap and fairly easy way. I just want to point that out because I think that use case of 3D printers gets overlooked. Or you buy a fairly expensive…

> the easiest thing to do would be to create the part with the printer, then use it to form a mold for casting the part out of metal

This is definitely not true for parts that need to be closely toleranced. Lost-PLA casting, DIY mold-making, etc are manufacturing processes not world-renowned for their ability to keep things precise.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by eindiran »

hcrean wrote: post #87

Please, dear God, don't anyone tell them about sand-casting... Explanation for non-mechs: Make a shape out of wood with a chisel, push it into sand to make a void, melt Alu in a glorified BBQ, pour into sand to make a perfect replica of the wooden template. You can turn out 100 high quality "mechanical parts" in alloyed metal in the same time it takes to 3D print one in PLA.

Again with the casting in this thread. What parts are you imagining you can make this way? Modern small arms generally require quite good tolerances. If you aren't going for that (which you clearly aren't because you chose casting lol), just buy a pipe and move on.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by giantg2 »

eindiran wrote: post #103
giantg2 wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I also think the law is bad. I do want to point out that if you want to make durable parts with a 3D printer, the easiest thing to do would be to create the part with the printer, then use it to form a mold for casting the part out of metal. Then case harden. That's the cheap and fairly easy way. I just want to point that out because I think that use case of 3D printers gets overlooked. Or you buy a fairly expensive…

> the easiest thing to do would be to create the part with the printer, then use it to form a mold for casting the part out of metal This is definitely not true for parts that need to be closely toleranced. Lost-PLA casting, DIY mold-making, etc are manufacturing processes not world-renowned for their ability to keep things precise.

Yeah, most parts in simple designs do not need to be super precise. Some hand fitting might be necessary.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by eindiran »

giantg2 wrote: post #105
eindiran wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the easiest thing to do would be to create the part with the printer, then use it to form a mold for casting the part out of metal This is definitely not true for parts that need to be closely toleranced. Lost-PLA casting, DIY mold-making, etc are manufacturing processes not world-renowned for their ability to keep things precise.

Yeah, most parts in simple designs do not need to be super precise. Some hand fitting might be necessary.

This is in the context of firearms, which are presumably modern repeating firearms, where they will cease to function if the tolerances are wrong.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by OkayPhysicist »

eindiran wrote: post #106
giantg2 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, most parts in simple designs do not need to be super precise. Some hand fitting might be necessary.

This is in the context of firearms, which are presumably modern repeating firearms, where they will cease to function if the tolerances are wrong.

You can get remarkably far with pretty crude tolerances, especially with lower pressure, pistol rounds. For example a direct-blowback, open-bolt submachine guns akin to what was used in WW2 can be pretty easily designed and built by anybody with a passable understanding of mechanics.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by jsndidneske »

pandemicsoul wrote: post #60
gorbachev wrote: post #17

That amendment is so overly broad the author should be forced to re-take some sort of how to draft bills class. It would require fingerprinting for purchases of "certain 3D printers". What does that even mean? I guess the existing law defined what "firearm" means in the context of that law, but if I was a retailer selling 3D printers, I would have some serious questions about it. My 5-year-old entry level 3D printer…

It's so tiring to have these kinds of conversations with folks who do not understand the legislative process. There's no need to treat the legislator like an idiot. She's doing what EVERY legislator does, which is to identify a problem ("printed guns are a loophole in how we manage guns in this state") and saying she wants to find a solution to that problem. One mechanism by which legislators do that is by writing dr…

The legislator doesnt realize 3d printer parts can be purchased and built. It is a CNC machine and this is America, home of more firearms owned by citizens than anywhere.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by bb88 »

constantly wrote: post #52
gotts wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's definitely not a bad time to join 3d printing industry. Much more mature than what it was even 5+ yrs ago

What’s a good use for them? I have been on the cusp of buying or building one for many years, but outside of the occasional desire to 3D print a random replacement or enhancement part for something, such as a new back for my minidisc player, which I can do via mail order 3D printing, all the examples at say Microcenter are just admittedly neat-looking but ultimately useless chintzy plastic goods.

I had kinda the same feeling before I got my first 3d printer too.

The first real thing I printed was a case for holding camera batteries to prevent them from just rolling around in my luggage. It was in PETG and it felt super high quality, and not chintzy as all.

I'm currently holding a 3NM torque wrench, where the handle and torque mechanism was 3d printed, and it feels like something you want to use on a day to day basis. It's smooth and feels good in the hand.

The chintzy probably comes from low density printing/ low quality materials. I've printed out parts that were carbon fiber infused PLA and PETG and just look and feel absolutely awesome.

Re: NY bill would require a criminal history check for the purchase of a 3D printer

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Post by c22 »

tinus_hn wrote: post #11
logicchains wrote: post #7

What next, they'll ban transporting 3D printers across state borders and have the cops go around knocking down doors hunting for unlicensed 3D printers? Otherwise people would just buy them interstate.

You can actually go all the way to the prohibition era and create the printer yourself, the designs are free.

Clearly any part that can be used in the construction of a 3d printer will need to be fingerprinted as well.
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