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Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

Cover the camera with some tape? That's what I do with my laptop camera.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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post #113
post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

It's also used for pinging you when the light has turned green if you're texting while stopped at a red light.

That's the exterior camera, not the interior one. The ping happens whether you're looking at the road or not.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was a Google SRE who stalked women through their Google accounts. I wonder if I can find that HN thread... update: Found one of them, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1692754 ( "Google fired engineer for breaking internal privacy policies" (2010)) It's not linked in there, but the Wired writeup adds that (0) there were at least two SRE's fired for something like this and (1) Google chose not to report this…

Do I really need to point out the differences between these two stories or can we agree they're not actually comparable?

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

I feel conflicted whenever I see a comment like this. On the one hand, let's assume it's true: a Paytm employee acted negligently. But on the other hand, what if it's not true? What if you happen to have a friend or family member who works for a Paytm competitor, or you have some grudge against Paytm for whatever reason, and are instead spreading low-key FUD about the company to make it seem like they have lax data c…

From personal experience, people will do anything they are physically capable of doing and think they can get away with. Almost nobody I know has the slightest amount of respect for any private data to which they have access. This extends from people in healthcare breaking HIPAA to tell me about how Jane Doe is an idiot who got a mayo jar stuck in her vagina to IT workers showing me John Doe's cringey nude selfies. Trust absolutely no one. If it's possible, it's happening. The goal should be able to make it not possible to the best extent and when it is, create accountability.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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It may seem paranoid, but it is sane to expect that everything that it is closed and consequently not auditable for security and privacy, and goes online on a network we have no control over, even though not a public one, will soon or later be used for spying.

This is true. And it does not exonerate Tesla in the slightest. There need to be consequences.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

If you build robust privacy guidance mechanisms into the fabric of your startup from the beginning, your ability to handle risk management around these types of cases can be resourced to scale with the customer expectations of the system you build. Unfortunately, if you do that, you are going to be outcompeted by the teams that are working to get their first 10,000 paying customers by any means necessary, because pri…

Sounds like it should be illegal to share data by default, and that individuals shouldn't be able to sign away their expectation of privacy as part of a EULA.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

#137

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

Frankly, everyone is a risk to some extent, which is why it’s handy to just not give someone things that can be a problem if exposed. What they don’t know/don’t have, can’t be used against you.

But someone with minimal direct criminal/financial risks of exposing something is definitely higher risk than others, and that is most startups.

That said Amazon reps have clearly been bought out before, and individuals within most large corps have always been viable targets of blackmail, bribery, coercion, etc.

It’s why some societies are so resistant to phasing out Cash. Anything else gives leverage to folks that historically it’s been a bad idea to give leverage to.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

#138

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

I feel conflicted whenever I see a comment like this. On the one hand, let's assume it's true: a Paytm employee acted negligently. But on the other hand, what if it's not true? What if you happen to have a friend or family member who works for a Paytm competitor, or you have some grudge against Paytm for whatever reason, and are instead spreading low-key FUD about the company to make it seem like they have lax data c…

and so your conclusion about trust is?

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

#139

Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…

> My trust in private companies has been at it's lowest since then and I absolutely do not trust startups to keep my data safe.

Tesla is neither a private company, nor a startup.

But, your point is still valid.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting, thanks. The fact that PayTM doesn't guard sensitive personal data even when it's a local tech behemoth makes me not want to use digital payments and switch to cash.

Except there's no evidence that they don't guard sensitive personal data other than an unsubstantiated post.

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