The next porn niche. "Tesla car spies on the occupants of its step-Telsa".
Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars
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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars
#92While some of the behaviour here is less professional than I'd expect for user data, I'm wondering what a good architecture for building a system to leverage visual telemetry without harming user privacy would really look like. The problem is that: 1) It's very difficult to manually or automatically scrub identifying information from video, and doing so probably greatly reduces the value of the data for AI training p…
> I'm wondering what a good architecture for building a system to leverage visual telemetry without harming user privacy would really look like.
It wouldn't.
It doesn't matter how valuable the result is: user privacy is, and always will be, the compromise.
The only reasonable thing to do is sell that compromise to users explicitly.
Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars
#93Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Nissan Leaf is exactly that. I don't pay for any service that connects it to the cloud. It's a standalone device.
> I don't pay for any service that connects it to the cloud. So it has the capability to connect? No thanks. I don't think that's the distinction OP was trying to make.
>So it has the capability to connect? No thanks.
All well and good for you, and I don't fault you for making that decision for yourself. OP's stated requirement was...
>not an always-connected surveillance device
... which without opting into the service, the Leaf is not.
Happy to have OP clarify for themselves, though.
Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars
#94Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’d expect that they don’t let employees have “easy access to the cameras' output” and for them to be able to share them “freely with other employees”. Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty.
>Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty. There's room for both acknowledging that someone is a victim, and that this was fairly predictable. Just as a mugging victim doesn't deserve a mugging, they probably shouldn't walk down dark alleyways at night. And if they didn't know better ... well, that's a problem too.
Predictable, sure.
Which says to me that the situation should have been predicted by the legal and HR teams before this division got fired up, leading to a robust code of conduct and compliance that would prevent this from happening in the first place, with heavy penalties for abuses and breaches.
Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars
#95Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels.
False constraint. Not all EVs are made in a country with lax privacy laws.
I have a European-made EV that has no "intelligent" (surveillance) capability at all.
Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars
#96Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you link to this regulation or coverage of it? I can find a proposed requirement for data portability when cars are connected (the European Data Act; https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_... ) but nothing of the nature you're describing.
It's named eCall
eCall is not permanently connected to GSM network
Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars
#97Call me paranoid, but this is one of the reasons I'm still driving my '95 Volvo, the smartest thing in that vehicle is the box with relays.
Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars
#98Reminds me of the time I bought lunch at work, and a colleague told me exactly what I bought and how much I paid for it. I called him out and said it was a lucky guess, and then he proceeded to tell me my entire payment history for the past 2 days. Turns out when I was buying lunch, he was on the phone with a friend who worked at Paytm and that guy gave away my transaction history for shits and giggles. My trust in p…
uhhhh...that sounds like a...felony?
Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars
#99Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not victim blaming. They opted in to this when they bought a Tesla; the privacy policy clearly allows Tesla staff to access all data the car generates. It's available to anyone to review before purchase. If you don't want it, don't buy a Tesla.
Yeah, it is victim blaming. The expectation is that they're going to use that data to improve the vehicle, or something within that realm, not turn the videos/images into memes and then pass them around for the yucks. Edit: I'm open minded; in addition to downvoting, I'm genuinely curious why folk might think that I am incorrect here. Happy to correct my thought process.
Having sex in front of any camera tends to end in exactly one way.
Their product line spells out "S3XY." Public technical failures are glossed over or ignored. Anyone expecting integrity from this company needs a reality check.
Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars
#100This is absolutely disgusting to hear. Can you imagine if Apple or Google employees were caught doing something like this with photos/videos taken with their products?
There was a Google SRE who stalked women through their Google accounts. I wonder if I can find that HN thread... update: Found one of them, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=1692754 ( "Google fired engineer for breaking internal privacy policies" (2010)) It's not linked in there, but the Wired writeup adds that (0) there were at least two SRE's fired for something like this and (1) Google chose not to report this…
Do I really need to point out the differences between these two stories or can we agree they're not actually comparable?