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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by eternalban » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 6:31 PM UTC

ceejayoz wrote: post #53

throwaway50609 wrote: post #42

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Can you link to this regulation or coverage of it? I can find a proposed requirement for data portability when cars are connected (the European Data Act; https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_... ) but nothing of the nature you're describing.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/security-and-em...

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Compulsory for new car models

If you buy a new model of car, approved for manufacture after 31 March 2018, it must have the 112-based eCall system installed. This rule applies both to cars with no more than 8 seats and light commercial vehicles. If you have a car which is already registered, you are not obliged to retrofit an eCall device but you can have it installed if your car meets the technical requirements.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by sometimes_all » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 6:31 PM UTC

varun_chopra wrote: post #61

sometimes_all wrote: post #56

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Was this just Paytm's history, or all of your digital payments history (ie all transactions outside Paytm)? I'm guessing it's the former, but I'm just too paranoid to not ask...

Yes, it's the former.

Interesting, thanks.

The fact that PayTM doesn't guard sensitive personal data even when it's a local tech behemoth makes me not want to use digital payments and switch to cash.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by croutonwagon » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 6:32 PM UTC

mikece wrote: post #72

ctvo wrote: post #62

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> Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels. This is an easy way to excuse Tesla's behavior. You're implying everyone does it. What can ya do, right? There's 0 evidence other car companies are allowing PII like this to be spread internally, and employees are so brazen as to use them as the basis for memes.

I'm saying exactly the opposite. I will never consider getting an EV as long as it's full-time tethered to the mothership and my car can be deactivated/bricked/broken remotely either on purpose or by accident. I want my car to be MY property, not a device obeying inputs from someone somewhere else. And absolutely no surveillance built in. Until then I'll stick to gasoline cars.

A lot of gas cars do this too. With services like onstar and low rate data connections either via satellite or even lte etc.

Many modern cars are this way. Tesla is just egregious about it. Ford, Toyota etc can still do it.

Remember the remote start payment plan for Toyota?

https://www.thedrive.com/news/43329/toyota-made-its-key-fob-...

Or even the reports of hacking a cars canbus?

https://www.dmv.com/blog/can-your-car-be-remotely-hacked-523...

All that said though. I totally agree. I will never drive a car like this or one that tells me I need to update before I can drive.

And if I do get a computer car (at least one like a Tesla that runs something resembling a Linux or bsd kernel, then I would expect to be able to access that system just like the engine etc). It’s my property.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by kjs3 » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 6:32 PM UTC

morkalork wrote: post #45

Yikes. So turning private images into memes and posting them internally isn't a fireable offence but union talk is? Such impeccable standards for conduct.

Corp culture comes from the top. So...there you go.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by jjulius » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 6:33 PM UTC

mikece wrote: post #21

Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels.

The Nissan Leaf is exactly that. I don't pay for any service that connects it to the cloud. It's a standalone device.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by newsclues » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 6:34 PM UTC

Snowden said that System Admins had access to things they shouldn't in the intelligence community.

Many companies are even worse.

Something something, the hackers and computer nerds were right about the dangers of data for years and everyone called them crazy.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by jjulius » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 6:34 PM UTC

omginternets wrote: post #71

addisonl wrote: post #19

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I’d expect that they don’t let employees have “easy access to the cameras' output” and for them to be able to share them “freely with other employees”. Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty.

>Are you really victim blaming here? Nasty. There's room for both acknowledging that someone is a victim, and that this was fairly predictable. Just as a mugging victim doesn't deserve a mugging, they probably shouldn't walk down dark alleyways at night. And if they didn't know better ... well, that's a problem too.

>And if they didn't know better ... well, that's a problem too.

Yes, but not necessarily their fault.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 6:35 PM UTC

lnsru wrote: post #67

Wanted to get Model Y in the past. Nice comfy car, huge backseat and… a camera filming inside the car. Thanks no. Apparently for drowsiness detection, but I am not buying it. Time of flight camera staring at the driver’s face is kinda normal in car industry. Not a normal color camera filming everything and streaming somewhere like Tesla does.

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Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by rationalist » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 6:36 PM UTC

jjulius wrote: post #85

mikece wrote: post #21

Wake me up when there's an EV that is just a car and not an always-connected surveillance device on wheels.

The Nissan Leaf is exactly that. I don't pay for any service that connects it to the cloud. It's a standalone device.

> I don't pay for any service that connects it to the cloud.

So it has the capability to connect? No thanks. I don't think that's the distinction OP was trying to make.

Re: Tesla workers shared sensitive images recorded by customer cars

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Post by ceejayoz » Thu, Apr 06, 2023, 6:36 PM UTC

eternalban wrote: post #81

ceejayoz wrote: post #53

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Can you link to this regulation or coverage of it? I can find a proposed requirement for data portability when cars are connected (the European Data Act; https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_22_... ) but nothing of the nature you're describing.

https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/travel/security-and-em... -- from source -- Compulsory for new car models If you buy a new model of car, approved for manufacture after 31 March 2018, it must have the 112-based eCall system installed. This rule applies both to cars with no more than 8 seats and light commercial vehicles. If you have a car which is already registered, you are not obliged to retrofit an eCall devi…

> Your eCall system is only activated if your vehicle is involved in a serious accident. The rest of the time the system remains inactive. This means that when you are simply driving your vehicle, no tracking (registering your car's position or monitoring your driving) or transmission of data takes place.

I'm not inclined to see this as anything remotely similar to what a Tesla has, and would hesitate to call it a "connected car" off such a feature by itself. The claim of "connected at all times" appears to also be a falsehood.