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New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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I am hoping that the ones that remain can charge a sustainable price for their product when dinging out becomes a thing again. Restaurants are notoriously bad for working conditions and wages. May be they can charge enough to pay their workers better.

Restaurants have notoriously thin margins. I don't see why that should change in the future. Paying their workers better won't happen unless there's a specific reason for it.

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post #129

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Sweden’s approach seems to indicate the opposite.

Given how poorly Sweden has fared compared to its neighbors you really need to stop trying to use it as an example of good policy.

What neighbors? What data are you using? As far as I can tell, it is pretty much middle of the pack. Behind Italy, Spain, and the UK in Europe alone. Somewhere like Belgium is far far worse.

Not to mention the fact that Sweden specifically used this strategy in order to avoid government control over people, which as we have already seen, other countries are not doing. See: Australia. “Good policy” expands beyond a single metric.

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The state of the US economy, and society, is so incredibly frightening to me because we seem to no longer have a collective, shared experience and goals. On one hand, people like me in the tech industry are doing fine, or better than fine. My job is secure and my skills are in high demand. On the other hand, I have friends who are highly skilled artists (musicians and dancers) who are going through the worst depressi…

And yet when I suggest that we re-open spaces for the young and healthy, and let the old and infirm decide to quarantine for themselves, I'm called inhumane and callous. The elite of this country have decided this is the sacrifice we will make - sorry for your friends, hopefully they get jobs in a warehouse or manage to get on the government dole.

The disease also kills young people and can do significant damage even if you don't die from it.

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Huh? just last week both Italy and Spain re-instated restrictions, as the cases are flaring up again. Especially, in Madrid. What Europe are you talking about? There are still restrictions in the EU for traveling from outside-EU countries. This is not a usa, or nyc only phenomenon. I hate to say it, but you sound like a Trump troll. Madrid locks back down as European leaders sound alarm on Covid-19 surges Madrid is g…

> I hate to say it, but you sound like a Trump troll. This sort of comment doesn’t belong here. The point is that Europe has mostly been normal for months now. NYC hasn’t.

Dutch person here. We are absolutely not back to normal. In fact many countries including mine are going back to more restrictions because we let them too loose.

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post #93

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And yet when I suggest that we re-open spaces for the young and healthy, and let the old and infirm decide to quarantine for themselves, I'm called inhumane and callous. The elite of this country have decided this is the sacrifice we will make - sorry for your friends, hopefully they get jobs in a warehouse or manage to get on the government dole.

The disease also kills young people and can do significant damage even if you don't die from it.

How many young people have died so far in the US?

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I still say, let everyone make the decision for themselves. Many old people (the majority) that get COVID don't die, but recover. They can attend performances. I don't see why we need to destroy everyone's lives for a minority of high risk people. Let everyone make their own decisions rather than use the iron fist of government to decide for us.

It's not only high risk people who get the disease, or even only high risk people who die. And, those same "young and healthy" people you're wanting to let loose still suffer serious aftereffects. You're trivializing it by saying "only old people die," not the least because it's it's not true.

Can you quantify how much damage the virus will do to young people, including the incidence rate of serious side effects in young people?

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Disagree - the statistics say the vast majority of those who get COVID when they are young recover. This is why outbreaks at colleges get a lot of attention for the cases, but no follow up because no one dies . You look at the oddball death and panic over it. But this is not the norm!

Binary live-vs.-die statistics aren't the full story. This illness is known to cause lingering side effects (lungs and heart) that in particular would affect those in physically demanding careers -- e.g. musicians and dancers as was mentioned by OP. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/long-term-effects.... https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2020/08/08/athletes-co...

What is the incidence rate and magnitude of COVID effects in young people? One should naturally expect such a follow up question when quantifying death and risk in public policy.

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post #48

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What evidence is that? Some other countries have not forced restaurants to close and yet have low current death rates.

It's economy also fell more than its neighbors https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-sweden-gdp-falls...

That's a non sequitur. This discussion is about restaurants, not GDP. And I'm not sure why you're bringing up Sweden? There are other examples of countries with low death rates despite imposing minimal pandemic control measures.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#countries

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Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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post #94

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I have no clue why not, but a similiar thing has happened in the rental market. Lots of landlords keeping the rates of apt. the same, and forcing people to move out. Then, they find out they can't rent at those prices, they still are hesitant to drop prices and just offer 3-4 months of 'free rent' instead. Many, eventually do capitulate, but this seems to take months or even more (for some, their building contracts h…

I don’t know about the dynamics in NYC but in SF a lot of landlords can afford to keep commercial spaces vacant, and apartments emptied out. The opportunity cost in not leasing out can be made up for by holding out for tenants that will overpay on the commercial side, and rent control makes renting apartments out for too low a price unappealing on the residential side. Kill both Prop 13 (entirely, not just sections o…

It's not just prop13 and it's not just in California. The Federal reserve has been buying mortgage backed securities to keep the market from correcting (similar to ~2008.) Because of this you can finance the construction and sale of small amounts of luxery space without having to worry nearly as much about being able to rent it for a profit.

Essentially we have insane inflation but it's been carefully architected to only really affect real estate.

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