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New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by untog »

hiimtroymclure wrote: post #23
untog wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it? I ask this as a New York resident: how many restaurants is one life worth? I was here back at the peak of the COVID outbreak when there were refrigerated trucks being loaded with bodies because the morgues had run out of space. It deeply, deeply sucks that a lot of restaurants are going to close. I hope that in time others will reopen in their place... it’s an underreported fact that a lot of restaurants clo…

its not the restaurant. its the people. its their jobs, their livelihoods that support their families. im not worried about economic devastation per se. im worried about the aftermath. The poverty that will break apart families and ruin kids lives forever. Come out to vegas and maybe your mind will change.

I don’t mean to sound like I don’t care about that. But it’s not a binary choice: if we had a government that actually cared then we could shut down while financially supporting those who lose their jobs. But we don’t, so we don’t.

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by nradov »

tehjoker wrote: post #25
dilap wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are locking down far in excess of simply not overwhelming our hospitals.

We may have to aim for virus extinction. Simply flattening the curve means we are aiming for herd immunity, but there are worrying signs that immunity may only last a few months, making it possible to recirculate. The science isn't settled, but I think until we know more we should be more conservative. https://bgr.com/2020/08/11/coronavirus-immunity-common-cold-...

Virus eradication is flatly impossible. That will never happen in our lifetimes, even with an effective vaccine.

The best evidence we have indicates that recovered patients will retain a high level of immunity for at least several years.

https://www.jimmunol.org/content/early/2020/09/03/jimmunol.2...

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by sk5t »

vincentmarle wrote: post #10

The long term trend of restaurants being closed in favor of ghost kitchens has just been accelerated due to COVID. It's just not sustainable to keep paying for brick and mortar when everything's moving online and to on-demand delivery. Retail is next.

I strongly disagree on the premise that the food itself is not what drives people to go out to eat. It's the experience, the setting, the service, ordering a drink, getting out of the house, and the welcome distraction that drive people to restaurants.

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] »

gamegod wrote: post #28
MatthiasP wrote: post #22

This is especially infuriating if you compare the numbers from Covid with a bad flu season in NY. Twice as bad as the flu is certainly cause to take special preventive measures but not reason enough to ruin your local economy.

You seem to be mixing up cause and effect. The reason COVID hasn't been so bad is because of all the special preventative measures. It's super contagious, still sends 10% of people to hospital, and is killing 1-2% of people. Sitting in the presence of strangers for hours in an enclosed space is a great way to transmit COVID, and this is why indoor dining must be closed.

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Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by blazespin »

hiimtroymclure wrote: post #6

At what point will people realize that the lockdown causes more harm than the virus?

Yeah, I don't think this has anything to do with a 'lockdown' but rather general desire not to get what appears to be a very bad flu. We don't have any 'lockdown' where I live, but there is a lot of news about cases rising and so people are wearing masks and curtailing gatherings.

The best thing for the economy would be a trusted vaccine and/or case counts going down.

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Post by jhatemyjob »

vmception wrote: post #43
jhatemyjob wrote: post #32

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10x still isn't that bad

> 10x still isn't that bad 10x means hospitals are paralyzed completely, how is that a rebuttal and at best case it means there are two bad flu seasons happening simultaneously which reaches the same result every country on the planet took similar approaches, even individual municipalities in Sweden, how is your warped version of reality for the United States possible and supportable?

In the United States 50k people die from the flu per year. 400k people die from cigarettes per year. 70k die from diabetes per year. 40k die from car crashes per year (2M injuries)

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by GarrisonPrime »

tehjoker wrote: post #25
dilap wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are locking down far in excess of simply not overwhelming our hospitals.

We may have to aim for virus extinction. Simply flattening the curve means we are aiming for herd immunity, but there are worrying signs that immunity may only last a few months, making it possible to recirculate. The science isn't settled, but I think until we know more we should be more conservative. https://bgr.com/2020/08/11/coronavirus-immunity-common-cold-...

This virus cannot be eradicated. You'd have to force everyone on the planet to isolate for 2 weeks. Simply impossible.

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by satya71 »

I am hoping that the ones that remain can charge a sustainable price for their product when dinging out becomes a thing again. Restaurants are notoriously bad for working conditions and wages. May be they can charge enough to pay their workers better.

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Post by howlgarnish »

krapp wrote: post #11
tehjoker wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can reopen a restaurant but can you reopen a human being?

With a bone saw, yes.

Time to get some Saudi investment into the NYC restaurant industry and kill two journalists birds with one stone!
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