At what point will people realize that the lockdown causes more harm than the virus?
You can reopen a restaurant but can you reopen a human being?
With a bone saw, yes.
New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]
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#12At what point will people realize that the lockdown causes more harm than the virus?
I think we're pretty far into the sunk cost fallacy on this one.
The fact that we've spent the past six months like this makes it too hard for many to accept that it might not have been the right choice.
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#13At what point will people realize that the lockdown causes more harm than the virus?
Does it?
I ask this as a New York resident: how many restaurants is one life worth? I was here back at the peak of the COVID outbreak when there were refrigerated trucks being loaded with bodies because the morgues had run out of space. It deeply, deeply sucks that a lot of restaurants are going to close. I hope that in time others will reopen in their place... it’s an underreported fact that a lot of restaurants close every year, I’ve had it happen to many favorites. New ones come.
To me personally, that loss is a price I’m willing to pay to stop the exponential increase of a pandemic. Maybe you’re right, though. Time will tell. Maybe the economic devastation will ruin NYC for years. Or maybe we’ll get the “v shaped recovery” we’ve been promised. Either way it’s too early to tell.
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#14At what point will people realize that the lockdown causes more harm than the virus?
No one should realize that because lockdowns are to contain and minimize impacts of the virus and the evidence overwhelmingly suggests no matter what the economy gets impacted, this is the way to reduce harm to economic activity the best. Without restricting high spread activities the economy suffers even more as everyone gets sick and hospitals get overwhelmed. What you’re saying is just like saying evacuation order…
We are locking down far in excess of simply not overwhelming our hospitals.
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#15This is terrible for sure, but it's worth remembering that 60% of all restaurants close within their first year of operation and 80% within 5 years. The restaurant industry in a city like New York is incredibly cut-throat.
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one should realize that because lockdowns are to contain and minimize impacts of the virus and the evidence overwhelmingly suggests no matter what the economy gets impacted, this is the way to reduce harm to economic activity the best. Without restricting high spread activities the economy suffers even more as everyone gets sick and hospitals get overwhelmed. What you’re saying is just like saying evacuation order…
We are locking down far in excess of simply not overwhelming our hospitals.
You don’t know what you’re talking about. This is a highly contagious virus with long incubation time without symptoms that is most contagious when you’re asymptomatic. It has the ability to rapidly overwhelm areas very quickly. What I’m saying is completely factual and in line with epidemiologists and expert medical body assessments of the disease, of which you are likely not one of and are certainly not in line with.
You simply are wrong.
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#17At what point will people realize that the lockdown causes more harm than the virus?
A restaurant in say New York has to be packed to be profitable. you really have no time for any additional protection measures either.
that mean it has nothing to do with a lock-down at this point - even if everything were to open up you have to convince people to go and get infected at the restaurants.
If even half of the customers take the virus situation serious then they will stay away - and guess what half the restaurants will close.
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#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
No one should realize that because lockdowns are to contain and minimize impacts of the virus and the evidence overwhelmingly suggests no matter what the economy gets impacted, this is the way to reduce harm to economic activity the best. Without restricting high spread activities the economy suffers even more as everyone gets sick and hospitals get overwhelmed. What you’re saying is just like saying evacuation order…
We are locking down far in excess of simply not overwhelming our hospitals.
Based on what?
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#19At what point will people realize that the lockdown causes more harm than the virus?
Does it? I ask this as a New York resident: how many restaurants is one life worth? I was here back at the peak of the COVID outbreak when there were refrigerated trucks being loaded with bodies because the morgues had run out of space. It deeply, deeply sucks that a lot of restaurants are going to close. I hope that in time others will reopen in their place... it’s an underreported fact that a lot of restaurants clo…
It's incredibly generous of you to be willing to give up other people's livelihoods so easily, but isn't really worth much until you would do the same of your own.
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#20This is terrible for sure, but it's worth remembering that 60% of all restaurants close within their first year of operation and 80% within 5 years. The restaurant industry in a city like New York is incredibly cut-throat.
There is a subtle (perhaps unintentional) sleight of hand here.
60% of all new restaurants close on the first year. That is very different than half of *all restaurants, even those that have been open for decades, closing in a single year.