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New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by untog »

goodlifeodyssey wrote: post #27
untog wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it? I ask this as a New York resident: how many restaurants is one life worth? I was here back at the peak of the COVID outbreak when there were refrigerated trucks being loaded with bodies because the morgues had run out of space. It deeply, deeply sucks that a lot of restaurants are going to close. I hope that in time others will reopen in their place... it’s an underreported fact that a lot of restaurants clo…

I'm also a New York resident, and my wife is a nurse practitioner who worked during COVID. "how many restaurants is one life worth?" It would take quite a few restaurants. However, you are ignoring the fact that letting all of the restaurants close will also kill people. I don't know how large this effect is, but we also don't know how many people will get COVID due to restaurants being open. It's complicated. As a s…

Oh, I actually agree with you that it’s complicated and we don’t know if we’re making the right choice, that’s what I was trying to get at with “it’s too early to tell”. The reality is we won’t know what the right level is for a long time, if we ever do. My preference is to lean on the cautious side. My dispute with the OP was their blanket assertion.

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by jhatemyjob »

Scipio_Afri wrote: post #30
MatthiasP wrote: post #22

This is especially infuriating if you compare the numbers from Covid with a bad flu season in NY. Twice as bad as the flu is certainly cause to take special preventive measures but not reason enough to ruin your local economy.

At least 10x as bad as the flu based on lethality or IFR. Far more contagious and it’s also most contagious when you have no symptoms. Flu season overwhelms hospitals sometimes by itself. Your numbers don’t add up.

10x still isn't that bad

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by ceilingcorner »

gamegod wrote: post #28
MatthiasP wrote: post #22

This is especially infuriating if you compare the numbers from Covid with a bad flu season in NY. Twice as bad as the flu is certainly cause to take special preventive measures but not reason enough to ruin your local economy.

You seem to be mixing up cause and effect. The reason COVID hasn't been so bad is because of all the special preventative measures. It's super contagious, still sends 10% of people to hospital, and is killing 1-2% of people. Sitting in the presence of strangers for hours in an enclosed space is a great way to transmit COVID, and this is why indoor dining must be closed.

Sweden’s approach seems to indicate the opposite.

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by dannyw »

gamegod wrote: post #28
MatthiasP wrote: post #22

This is especially infuriating if you compare the numbers from Covid with a bad flu season in NY. Twice as bad as the flu is certainly cause to take special preventive measures but not reason enough to ruin your local economy.

You seem to be mixing up cause and effect. The reason COVID hasn't been so bad is because of all the special preventative measures. It's super contagious, still sends 10% of people to hospital, and is killing 1-2% of people. Sitting in the presence of strangers for hours in an enclosed space is a great way to transmit COVID, and this is why indoor dining must be closed.

Sydney resident here, been eating out, indoors, since May. Our suppression strategy has been working; we don't adopt a "close at all costs" strategy.

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by Duhck »

jhatemyjob wrote: post #32
Scipio_Afri wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least 10x as bad as the flu based on lethality or IFR. Far more contagious and it’s also most contagious when you have no symptoms. Flu season overwhelms hospitals sometimes by itself. Your numbers don’t add up.

10x still isn't that bad

do you smoke?

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by ceilingcorner »

hiimtroymclure wrote: post #6

At what point will people realize that the lockdown causes more harm than the virus?

The moment that it ceases to be a contentious political issue. When something is politicized, everyone inevitably lines up on one side, logic be damned.

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by Fernicia »

drstewart wrote: post #19
untog wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does it? I ask this as a New York resident: how many restaurants is one life worth? I was here back at the peak of the COVID outbreak when there were refrigerated trucks being loaded with bodies because the morgues had run out of space. It deeply, deeply sucks that a lot of restaurants are going to close. I hope that in time others will reopen in their place... it’s an underreported fact that a lot of restaurants clo…

It's incredibly generous of you to be willing to give up other people's livelihoods so easily, but isn't really worth much until you would do the same of your own.

Is it worse than letting them open and spread a deadly disease?

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by jhatemyjob »

tick_tock_tick wrote: post #3
justinzollars wrote: post #2

This is incredibly sad. My favorite restaurant in the world closed in San Francisco - its such a tough time for that industry.

Which one? But yeah I don't think we are going to fair any better.

why does it matter, it's closed

Re: New York City thinks up to half of restaurants will close permanently [pdf]

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Post by [deleted] »

gamegod wrote: post #28
MatthiasP wrote: post #22

This is especially infuriating if you compare the numbers from Covid with a bad flu season in NY. Twice as bad as the flu is certainly cause to take special preventive measures but not reason enough to ruin your local economy.

You seem to be mixing up cause and effect. The reason COVID hasn't been so bad is because of all the special preventative measures. It's super contagious, still sends 10% of people to hospital, and is killing 1-2% of people. Sitting in the presence of strangers for hours in an enclosed space is a great way to transmit COVID, and this is why indoor dining must be closed.

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