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Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by quantified »

jeffbee wrote: post #54
quantified wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We do. But let’s be real. I would say less than 5% of drivers fully stop where I am now, and from living in Boston for a while 0% there. Cue the Boston driver jokes on the Tesla, but that’s just really bad driving there. I do not expect them to get usable self-driving for another 10-15 years at least.

Why is the Boston driver thing such a meme? The NHTSA Region 1, which is New England, has the fewest traffic fatalities per capita and per vehicle-mile. Florida, Texas, and California are twice as bad.

It’s the only place where a driver has waved a vodka (or other clear spirits, didn’t get a taste) bottle at me on a highway. YMMV.

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Post by simion314 »

npace12 wrote: post #110
pessimizer wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're right, we probably shouldn't make reckless driving legal either.

That's technically not the correct analogue to what I said

You should probably demand rich dudes get proportional fines, that would solve the problem partially. Probably same irresponsible teen is also alpha testing a Tesla while his watching Netflix on the dashboard so no win if you move him from a Lambo in an Tesla.

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Post by ASalazarMX »

simion314 wrote: post #59
npace12 wrote: post #40

Just to clarify the current process of being able to use the Tesla FSD beta because I've seen a lot of comments by people thinking Tesla released this and cars are now just driving around without a human driver: 1. pay $12k or $200/mo 2. Opt-in for beta. Drive over 100-200 miles and maintain a 98%+ "safety score" until you're selected (could be months) 3. Manually activate FSD each time you want to use it 4. Keep han…

Should this be legal? Some rich Tesla fanboy beta testing buggy software with a misleading name of autopilot or FSD ont he streets where your children walk? I am not aware of such laws but they shoudl exist, otherwise other companies can start alpha testing with random fanboys.

Oh no, the children!

2025: Elon announces BabyX, in vitro baby factory, claims he's cloning any baby killed by a Tesla vehicle, for free.

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Post by beeboop »

garbageT wrote: post #73

Disclaimer about this guy Ogan, if you track his online accounts it’s very anti-Tesla auto-pilot/self-driving. Rightfully so in some situations. Also he is a investor in a Chinese competitor to Tesla (EV and self-driving abilities). Take his words with a grain of salt.

anti Musk and anti Tesla astroturfing is a tale as old as time. A lot of it has always been rooted in people with financial interests in Tesla doing poorly

I always flag these topics. The comments are nearly verbatim identical to the last 20 times FSD gets posted and nothing about the conversation is interesting

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Post by thesausageking »

pessimizer wrote: post #81
hughrr wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Got to give the guy his due though: the average capitalist bastard couldn’t literally sell a promise like that and hold it off for half a decade yet still maintain a rabid fanbase stating it’ll be any minute now and shooting down any dissident opinion. /s for the sake of the challenged. I figured most of the cars that had FSD paid for will be scrap before it happens.

I disagree. This stuff can go on indefinitely until the big money pulls out, and the big money doesn't pull out until something happens to make the investment embarrassing to mention to your peers. It took an expose from the WSJ (which probably wouldn't have worked from any other paper) to do it for Theranos, it simply took a memorable, repeatable joke to do the same type of thing for Bill Cosby. I honestly don't thi…

I don't see a huge implosion happening. What will tank Tesla's stock is when competitors catch up and pass them. Two years ago, Tesla was the only viable option. Today, buyers have a lot of options and with Tesla's continued problems with quality and service, that will mean other makers will continue to capture more market share.

On the autonomous driving side, Waymo and other teams are years ahead of Tesla. Elon's been able to convince the market otherwise and so far they've bought it. In the next 1-2 years as self-driving cars get deployed onto the roads this will be undeniable.

I don't see a big, Theranos style implosion. The market will slowly grow concerned, there will be a "correction" which Tesla stans will ignore and then will be a slow decline with dips each time competitors release strong numbers. By 2023-2024, Tesla's market cap will have fallen 70-80% down to that of other car makers.

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Post by beeboop »

rmbyrro wrote: post #96
bagels wrote: post #78

This whole situation fascinates me. At what point do people start suing Tesla for fraud? There is no evidence that Musk's claims about FSD will ever be true.

I'm confused: > "evidence that [...] will be true" Apart from provably recurring events already observed (e.g. Sun/Moon position in the sky), how can one present evidence for the future? And what kind of society start suing people for fraud for failing to provide evidence for the future?

Anti musk hyperbole in a Tesla thread, how predictable

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Post by beeboop »

gdulli wrote: post #41
fxtentacle wrote: post #2

Says a guy who is short on Tesla, but despite that conflict of interest, the video looks real. I mean if he had managed to modify his car firmware to make it less safe just to fake that video, that would also be a huge Tesla safety issue.

If you're anti-Tesla due to your experience with and observation of their product, legitimate reasons like that, that's not a conflict of interest. You're not starting out with a bias. You're allowed to form an opinion for the right reasons and bring it forward without it being suspect. If you're anti-Tesla because you didn't think Elon Musk was funny on SNL, or you don't like his haircut, or some other unrelated rea…

The author of TFA is a known investor in a Tesla competitor

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Post by daveslash »

>> "Ogan said he shared the video because he’s seen a lot of “perfectly curated” videos of people using the Tesla self-driving feature on beautiful roads in California with no issues"

Emphasis mine. Yeah, this is where the value of the human being can't be over stated. There are plenty of times where road conditions "just don't make sense" and it takes a certain level of intelligence, intuition, and experience to even attempt to make a right call (and even then, sometimes you're making the situation worse and other nearby drivers have to adapt to you). For example: Road construction, or after they've paved the roads but haven't put down the lines, or when they've painted lines over other lines so there are conflicting lane markings, or detours that send you down one way streets marked "wrong way", etc....

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