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Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by gdulli »

fxtentacle wrote: post #2

Says a guy who is short on Tesla, but despite that conflict of interest, the video looks real. I mean if he had managed to modify his car firmware to make it less safe just to fake that video, that would also be a huge Tesla safety issue.

If you're anti-Tesla due to your experience with and observation of their product, legitimate reasons like that, that's not a conflict of interest. You're not starting out with a bias. You're allowed to form an opinion for the right reasons and bring it forward without it being suspect.

If you're anti-Tesla because you didn't think Elon Musk was funny on SNL, or you don't like his haircut, or some other unrelated reason, that's what would be unfair. But you can't write off anyone short on Tesla as inherently biased. Otherwise you'd be writing off all criticism period.

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Post by rootusrootus »

FridayoLeary wrote: post #32
hughrr wrote: post #19

I think full self driving is the same distance away as cold fusion.

Both have been just around the corner since the 1970's. But just because they are obvious technologies it doesn't make them more feasible.

> Both have been just around the corner since the 1970's.

Fusion, yes. Cold fusion, no.

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by irthomasthomas »

thesausageking wrote: post #17

Abridged history of Elon's self-driving predictions: 2015: "We’re going to end up with complete autonomy, and I think we will have complete autonomy in approximately two years." 2016: "I really consider autonomous driving a solved problem, I think we are less than two years away from complete autonomy, safer than humans, but regulations should take at least another year." 2018: "I think probably by end of next year (…

FSD will never work for ordinary cars in cities. But it may be good enough for self driving tanks fighting in WW4 - AD2050

That is really the only scenario where the high collateral damage won't matter.

  "We didn't know we where training kill-bots"

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by bo1024 »

MisterTea wrote: post #20

What surprises me is the simple fact that these self "driving" cars are allowed on the road without any federal oversight at all. Meanwhile you could not legally register a Mercedes Benz car that only has ONE wiper blade because it did not meet federal safety requirements. Yet somehow replacing the human in the drivers seat, the most safety critical part of the whole damn car, with a gpu, camera, and junk code is no…

Not a huge regulations-by-default person but I agree strongly with this. The other issue is accountability laundering. If a human kills someone they're criminally responsible. If a company's software does it then they'll shift blame onto the human passenger or deflect into a small fine, at the worst. If I can't trust the incentives then I can't trust the tech.

Re: Self-driving Tesla does 'the craziest things you can imagine'

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Post by ben_w »

jjnoakes wrote: post #11
nexuist wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, Tesla's autopilot rolls through stop signs because everyone does. How many people are going to get rear ended because every Tesla stops at a stop sign now? It feels like enforcing this behavior is more dangerous than letting it slide. It's the same with following the speed limit on roads where everyone speeds. Nobody is going to like self driving cars if they're going 25 on a road where everyone goes 40, w…

Who is just driving into cars at stop signs because they stop for an extra two seconds?

Related situation, but not quite the same: I know someone who wrote off their car on the A14 near Cambridge (UK) because they weren’t paying attention in stop-start traffic and rear-ended the one in front.

Ironically, she hates Elon Musk and everything he does, so memes about how self driving cars are a terrible idea.

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Post by nexuist »

kspacewalk2 wrote: post #18
nexuist wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously, Tesla's autopilot rolls through stop signs because everyone does. How many people are going to get rear ended because every Tesla stops at a stop sign now? It feels like enforcing this behavior is more dangerous than letting it slide. It's the same with following the speed limit on roads where everyone speeds. Nobody is going to like self driving cars if they're going 25 on a road where everyone goes 40, w…

So Tesla is supposed to mimic bad driving of bad drivers? Whatever happened to the promised Age of Road Safety, brought about by smart AI whose ability to make decisions is so much better than the useless chunks of meat menacing our roads today? >How many people are going to get rear ended because every Tesla stops at a stop sign now? So bad drivers roll through stop signs, and this behaviour is somehow at equilibriu…

Tesla is supposed to mimic human driving so its cars are predictable to other human drivers. What's the point of driving safely if it gets you in an accident?

> Speeders that endanger lives of everyone not currently inside a car, now embedded in an efficient algorithm

Maybe pedestrians should be voting to improve public transportation instead of trying to walk in roads clearly not meant for pedestrians. Has nobody heard of trains or buses? How is it a solution to make every car go 25 mph just in case some random person decides to jaywalk?

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Post by foobarian »

quantified wrote: post #6
whynotkeithberg wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pretty sure most of you do....

We do. But let’s be real. I would say less than 5% of drivers fully stop where I am now, and from living in Boston for a while 0% there. Cue the Boston driver jokes on the Tesla, but that’s just really bad driving there. I do not expect them to get usable self-driving for another 10-15 years at least.

Why would I stop if I can clearly see there is no one coming from the other directions? I drive a stick shift too so it helps to be able to keep some non-zero momentum. This is completely disconnected from the stereotypical bad driver barreling through the intersection completely unaware there is a stop sign at all.

It's a different story on 4-way stop intersections. You look at who is where, which order they stopped in, and go when it's your turn.

The real bottom line ultimately is, are the average accident rates up or not?

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Post by hughrr »

geocrasher wrote: post #28
hughrr wrote: post #19

I think full self driving is the same distance away as cold fusion.

And when we get it, it's more like Cold Fusion. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ColdFusion_Markup_Language

Please don’t insult CFML by comparing it to something that puts the user at risk and crashes every five minutes ;)

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Post by notreallyserio »

nexuist wrote: post #26
jjnoakes wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is just driving into cars at stop signs because they stop for an extra two seconds?

Ask my dad or the variety of people in your life that have had it happen to them. I guarantee you know people this has happened to. Have you never heard of getting rear ended?

Of course. Although most rear-ending I've seen is on highways when drivers (that shouldn't be on the road) fail to leave adequate distance in front of them.

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Post by jeffbee »

baggy_trough wrote: post #12
jjnoakes wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is just driving into cars at stop signs because they stop for an extra two seconds?

Robots who do not follow traffic norms will quickly become infuriating.

Anyone who advocates that not stopping a car at stop signs is a "norm" should be launched directly into the sun. This is why traffic deaths in the U.S. are 40k/year and increasing at 15% per year.
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