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Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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So, as of today, Windows 10 on ARM support x86 win32 or UWP, but not a .Net?

Oh, UWP .NET has always supported ARM (since Windows 8). I assumed the question was about .NET needs outside of the UWP.

Also, the Win32 x86 emulation I would imagine would support most/all .NET Win32 applications, to whatever extent the Win32 .NET Framework gets added to emulation image.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Man, that League of Legends desktop icon on the test machine is such a tease. I would love to know what the status of x86 gaming on ARM devices would be, especially for something competitive that runs on most anything like LoL

Spotting things in the details: Haru is propping his phone up with bricks from a Jungian personality test. Apparently Haru brings people together and results oriented.

http://blog.mcchristie.com/wp-content/uploads/insights-brick...

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Agree. But that would mean people would make new Win32 apps which can theoretically be sold on other places than the store. (I realize Win32 apps + bridge makes it possible to sell store apps based on Win32 too - but it's not exactly the way they want it to happen). It feels like microsoft these days think that people who make desktop apps and don't sell them in the store are robbing them. Microsoft just needs the li…

It would mean they would have to admit that Windows is not an iPhone or an iPad, that they shouldn't blindly copy what that other fruit-themed vendor has been doing, that maybe people own their computers (not the platform vendor) and want to use them. Failure to acknowledge this is why 8/RT failed and they are trying to repeat it edging just a bit closer towards sane but it's pretty disappointing that they won't go t…

I think they are trying to make the legacy desktop a professional and enterprise one, because there is no money selling operating systems to consumers.

If they can get the huge chunk of people who are using their computers without an enterprise domain, and without heavy workstation apps (basically just doing internet/docs/games) to use a cheap and safe iOS-style windows, then they can at least start getting 30% cut of the app sales from all those people.

I'm not too worried about that as long as there is a proper windows for professionals. In the above scenario they could start charging more of a premium than they do today for the legacy windows desktop because there would be no consumer version of it.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Which is, sadly, discontinued. It's still available for download though but the latest OS is 6.0 and many versions missing.

where do you see it discontinued?

I suggested an improvement and got back an email.

https://blog.rthand.com/post/2017/05/02/good-bye-visual-stud...

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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They are doing this because they want the benefits of great ARM battery life. But they are emulating x86 on ARM. So they believe that emulated x86 on ARM will have a better battery life than native x86. The only way I think this could be possible is if they measure battery life of an idle device. Maybe someone can disabuse me of this belief.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Which is, sadly, discontinued. It's still available for download though but the latest OS is 6.0 and many versions missing.

They pressured google. That was the point. Google does not give a flying fuck about developer experience. I am not saying that is wrong or right. I am saying this was the case for Google for many years. They just didn't give fuck about the experience. But look at the timing. Everyone was nagging on google for years about slow emulator. They didn't do shit for years. Microsoft released an emulator, which was superior…

It'd make sense if Hyper-V wasn't monopolistic. You can't run both at the same time, or better, no other virtualization host is allowed when Hyper-V is on. Which sucks.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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I'd be very interested in a Windows 10 phone if it has automatic updates that do not depend on the carrier, to avoid the Android situation where only certain phones get updates on a timely basis.

Imagine how shitty it would be to have your phone do the Windows popup "restarting in 4 hours" and then you're forced to be out of a phone for 10-30 minutes. Worse yet if the update fails...

For me it's way shittier to have an insecure phone. I would even install a Clippy launcher on Android if I could have the latest security and feature updates the same day that they are released (without changing phones every year or using custom ROMs).

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Windows 10 on ARM would allow Apple Bootcamp on ARM-based MacBooks. There have been rumors about Apple moving to ARM and potentially bringing processors in-house. I wonder if that influenced Microsoft's thinking.

You think that this actual shipping product that Microsoft developed might have been influenced by these "rumors" that are never actually sourced to anyone in Apple?

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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They are doing this because they want the benefits of great ARM battery life. But they are emulating x86 on ARM. So they believe that emulated x86 on ARM will have a better battery life than native x86. The only way I think this could be possible is if they measure battery life of an idle device. Maybe someone can disabuse me of this belief.

Keep in mind, if you're just using a web browser, Skype and office, these are likely to all be ARM native. It's only when you boot up an x86 program it even comes into play - for a lot of users that will be very rare.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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They are doing this because they want the benefits of great ARM battery life. But they are emulating x86 on ARM. So they believe that emulated x86 on ARM will have a better battery life than native x86. The only way I think this could be possible is if they measure battery life of an idle device. Maybe someone can disabuse me of this belief.

Because they aren't running everyting in the emulator - the kernel, drivers, many of their own apps, and in future possibly 3rd party apps as well are run natively. They're emulating x86 for apps and some system DLLs. (There's a schematic at about 8 minutes.)
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