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Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by xemoka »

This excites me. I work with a lot of geospatial industry tools, many mobile tools are still based on old window CE/pocket PC/windows mobile platforms; I hope to see these snapdragon devices overtake this area.

Mobile data collection tools on iOS and android devices are rather poor (at least open source ones), hopefully this will help solve this problem—we'll just be able to use windows applications that work and are better developed. The windows ecosystem still seems easier to me than iOS / Android, perhaps that's just my bias or that I see more development options.

This could be a huge turning point for Microsoft's mobile divisions.

x86 drivers are still something I'm curious about here...

[edit: I should also mention, the reason why geospatial tools comes into play here is because the snapdragon CPUs have integrated GSM and GNSS (GPS) on the die. Currently, x86 based tablets have to use a separate component, and many don't come with it or even provide GNSS as an option]

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by JonathonW »

poizan42 wrote: post #15
platipuss wrote: post #4

I hope they drop this on the surface 2. It would save it from being a paper weight.

A qualified guess would be that you can just install it, because the bootloader is Microsoft signed so it would pass the secure boot check. Edit: Apparently Surface 2 isn't AArch64, so probably not.

That assumes that:

(1) Microsoft makes generic install media available (rather than just device-specific restore media, for devices that ship with Windows 10 ARM), and

(2) Windows 10 ARM will run on ARMv7 devices, rather than being restricted to ARMv8 (AArch64) devices.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by [deleted] »

satysin wrote: post #9

Microsoft are seriously killing it in emulation these days. First I was amazed with them getting Xbox 360 (PPC) games running at full speed or better on the Xbox One (x86) and now we have x86 on ARM. They have some wizards working on this stuff. Edit: I wonder if Dave Cutler is involved in this x86 on ARM stuff? I think he was with the Xbox 360/Xbox One.

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Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by MrMember »

faragon wrote: post #3

If that runs great on phones, and has virtualization support for e.g. running ARM Linux guests, I would change both my Android phone and my Ubuntu laptop for one phone (e.g. Snapdragon 835 or better + 8-12GB RAM + 256GB flash + USB 3.0 OTG), using a dummy screen + keyboard as laptop replacement.

A desktop/mobile convergence phone is my dream. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by wand3r »

I am seriously impressed with Microsoft. I haven't used windows in years but they are releasing tons of useful things. VSCode is great on Ubuntu and every version of OS X I have run it on. Plus tons of other cool things like bash on win; etc.

Also, I have a bizspark Azure subscription and it's not a perfect UX; but man does it beat AWS

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by mmcconnell1618 »

Windows 10 on ARM would allow Apple Bootcamp on ARM-based MacBooks. There have been rumors about Apple moving to ARM and potentially bringing processors in-house. I wonder if that influenced Microsoft's thinking.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by wand3r »

MrMember wrote: post #34
faragon wrote: post #3

If that runs great on phones, and has virtualization support for e.g. running ARM Linux guests, I would change both my Android phone and my Ubuntu laptop for one phone (e.g. Snapdragon 835 or better + 8-12GB RAM + 256GB flash + USB 3.0 OTG), using a dummy screen + keyboard as laptop replacement.

A desktop/mobile convergence phone is my dream. I'd buy one in a heartbeat.

I think I get it; but could you expand a bit on what you mean?

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by Kenji »

satysin wrote: post #9

Microsoft are seriously killing it in emulation these days. First I was amazed with them getting Xbox 360 (PPC) games running at full speed or better on the Xbox One (x86) and now we have x86 on ARM. They have some wizards working on this stuff. Edit: I wonder if Dave Cutler is involved in this x86 on ARM stuff? I think he was with the Xbox 360/Xbox One.

As far as I know, they don't emulate Xbox 360 games on Xbox One, they port and compile it for the new console, creating entirely new binaries. Not much emulation going on there. Correct me if I'm wrong.

EDIT: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Xbox_360_games_compati... "Unlike the emulation of original Xbox games on the Xbox 360, the Xbox One does not require game modification, since it emulates an exact replica of its predecessor's environment – both hardware and software operating systems."

I stand corrected.

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by johnchristopher »

satysin wrote: post #9

Microsoft are seriously killing it in emulation these days. First I was amazed with them getting Xbox 360 (PPC) games running at full speed or better on the Xbox One (x86) and now we have x86 on ARM. They have some wizards working on this stuff. Edit: I wonder if Dave Cutler is involved in this x86 on ARM stuff? I think he was with the Xbox 360/Xbox One.

Yeah. Well. When can I get a PC version of fable 2 then ? :-(

Re: Windows 10 on ARM

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Post by deskamess »

satysin wrote: post #9

Microsoft are seriously killing it in emulation these days. First I was amazed with them getting Xbox 360 (PPC) games running at full speed or better on the Xbox One (x86) and now we have x86 on ARM. They have some wizards working on this stuff. Edit: I wonder if Dave Cutler is involved in this x86 on ARM stuff? I think he was with the Xbox 360/Xbox One.

They make a very good Android emulator as well.
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