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Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by dymk »

epups wrote: post #88
comboy wrote: post #45

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If that the case, perhaps you should feel that way every time you are near a road. Without commenting on autopilot performance, there are enough drivers who are worse. Maybe autopilot just helps you realize that you are not really fully in control about everything that may happen.

I've been driving with other people on the road for years. People might be worse on average but at least they don't get a firmware update that could potentially kill you.

People absolutely do get erratic for no reason

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by ryanklee »

kortilla wrote: post #74
fundatus wrote: post #23

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Not comparable at all. Airplanes are flown by trained professionals who know exactly what Autopilot can and cannot do. Regular consumers don't know these differences though and Tesla deliberately uses this ambiguity to deceive their own customers, who expect a "fully self driving" car.

“People are morons” is not a justification for claiming they aren’t equivalent when they are.

The justification isn't that people are morons, it's that the same word can have different meanings on different contexts.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by mavhc »

ceejayoz wrote: post #70
freedomben wrote: post #62

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2023 Toyota Sienna

https://www.justanswer.com/toyota/mb45v-own-23-toyota-coroll... > Start by sitting in the driver's seat and closing the door. Buckle your seat belt. Turn the ignition to the "On" position without starting the engine. Within a few seconds of turning the ignition on, unbuckle and then re-buckle your seat belt three times, making sure each action is completed quickly. After the third buckle action, keep the seat belt bu…

Is there a complete list of cheat codes for your car?

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by mavhc »

bxguff wrote: post #53
mngdtt wrote: post #13

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"recall" is a malicious term in this context because it sounds like you need to take your car somewhere and have it out of service for a few days.

its not a malicious term its the NHTSA legal term, and what tesla will call it too when they mail out owner notification letters about the problem in February to anyone with a : model y (20-23) model x (16-23) model s (12-23) model 3 (17-23)

Pretty sure this is a government subsidy for the post office

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by jader201 »

balls187 wrote: post #109
matsemann wrote: post #98

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Who picks up their phone while driving? Or looks away for a few seconds? If you're driving 80 kph and looks away for three and a half second, that's basically 80 meters of movement where you didn't see anything. Just crazy.

Lots of American drivers do exactly that. I’m guilty of it.

At least you admit it, but please stop.

You’re not only endangering your own life, but you’re endangering others as well.

It’s one thing to do this on rare occasions to change a route on the navigation, or change a song.

But for many people, being on their phone is the norm and not the exception — that’s what’s crazy.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by dangus »

freedomben wrote: post #28

I really wonder where we're headed (in general, not specifically with Teslas) regarding technologies requirements to "do enough to prevent misuse." These requirements are already a major thorn in my side. My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus o…

> My car has sensors to detect when a passenger isn't wearing a seat belt and to blast an ear-hurting alarm directly at the driver. It's so loud that it's actually a safety issue in itself because it's hard to focus on driving when there is a blaring alarm in your face.

You aren’t supposed to be driving until all occupants in your vehicle have buckled their seatbelts. That’s why the alarm is loud and annoying, because obviously you can’t be trusted to follow basic motor vehicle laws. You’re not supposed to be focused on driving before everyone is buckled in.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by numpad0 »

maximus-decimus wrote: post #90
trilbyglens wrote: post #76

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This reenforces my instinct to buy the dumbest thing on the market.

Maybe I will buy that Mitsubishi Mirage after all.

Yes(ironically). That thing is closest analogue to a USDM Kei car if such existed. The only problem is crash safety.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Post by mavhc »

fundatus wrote: post #23
Closi wrote: post #14

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By the same logic you could say that airplanes shouldn't call their pilot assist system "Autopilot" either, because it requires monitoring and input from pilots who will need to disengage the system and intervene/fly manually in certain scenarios. Autopilot is probably actually quite a good term for it if you actually compare it to a plane Autopilot - you don't expect pilots to be inattentive or away from the control…

Not comparable at all. Airplanes are flown by trained professionals who know exactly what Autopilot can and cannot do. Regular consumers don't know these differences though and Tesla deliberately uses this ambiguity to deceive their own customers, who expect a "fully self driving" car.

They expect to not have to pay $12000 for something called Full Self Driving, and still get it?

Let's check the first paragraph of the Autopilot section in the manual:

Autopilot is a suite of advanced driver assistance features that are intended to make driving safer and less stressful. None of these features make Model 3 fully autonomous or replace you as the driver

And on the same page:

Warning Basic Autopilot is a hands-on feature. Keep your hands on the steering wheel at all times and be mindful of road conditions, surrounding traffic, and other road users (such as pedestrians and cyclists). Always be prepared to take immediate action. Failure to follow these instructions could cause damage, serious injury, or death.

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