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Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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The details are scant, but it sounds like the vehicle is going to be quicker to disable autopilot if it thinks you aren’t paying attention.

I’m curious to see what this amounts to because Autopilot is already pretty sensitive to this. Pick up your phone or look away from the road for more than a few seconds and the in-cabin car notices and warns you. I don’t know of a comparable system in any car with self driving or without.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw

Nah mate, fixing your cat photos app is not the same thing as fixing software that killed people.

Phones hold sensitive datas, banking stuffs. I never heard about recall when a security flaw is fixed on a phone by a software update.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw

If the FCC mandated Apple deploy an update to reduce phones catching fire then yes, I would use the term recall. For bugs that don’t fall into the safety or regulatory compliance category I would not.

"recall" is a malicious term in this context because it sounds like you need to take your car somewhere and have it out of service for a few days.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw

Tesla shouldn't call their driver assist system "Autopilot" either, but here we are.

By the same logic you could say that airplanes shouldn't call their pilot assist system "Autopilot" either, because it requires monitoring and input from pilots who will need to disengage the system and intervene/fly manually in certain scenarios.

Autopilot is probably actually quite a good term for it if you actually compare it to a plane Autopilot - you don't expect pilots to be inattentive or away from the controls, and you expect them to intervene in certain scenarios and disengage autopilot if there is danger.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw

If FSD worked as advertised, they could "recall" the cars by issuing a command from the factory, and thousands of cars would turn on by themselves, find their way out of the family garage, and drive away in the night! To the nearest shop or, if a sufficient level of AI was reached, to freedom, never to be seen again.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

#17

We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw

If FSD worked as advertised, they could "recall" the cars by issuing a command from the factory, and thousands of cars would turn on by themselves, find their way out of the family garage, and drive away in the night! To the nearest shop or, if a sufficient level of AI was reached, to freedom, never to be seen again.

I’d pay $15k for that

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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post #4

We should either stop calling these recalls, or news sites should announce iOS and Android updates in a similar manner also > Apple is recalling 45 Brazilion iPhones and iPads to fix software flaw

Nah mate, fixing your cat photos app is not the same thing as fixing software that killed people.

Did it kill people?

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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post #9
post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If the FCC mandated Apple deploy an update to reduce phones catching fire then yes, I would use the term recall. For bugs that don’t fall into the safety or regulatory compliance category I would not.

But "recall" means "calling back"; normally it means having to actually send a physical replacement. Consider three possible problems with autopilot: 1. There's a structural issue that affects camera systems which can't be fixed in a shop; for instance, something which may cause the camera to come loose which results in blind spots, that's due to the structural issue of the car itself. Tesla has to replace 2 million…

>But "recall" means "calling back";

Writing means to carve but you wrote this post without a metal stick and a hammer.

>hassle for owners

"Recall" is used to signify the severity of the flaw not the inconvenience fixing it caused owners. I feel "software update" doesn't do it justice at all and "recall" is appropriate.

Re: Tesla Recalls 2M Cars to Fix Autopilot Safety Flaws

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post #11

The details are scant, but it sounds like the vehicle is going to be quicker to disable autopilot if it thinks you aren’t paying attention. I’m curious to see what this amounts to because Autopilot is already pretty sensitive to this. Pick up your phone or look away from the road for more than a few seconds and the in-cabin car notices and warns you. I don’t know of a comparable system in any car with self driving or…

My 2020 Hyundai has this.
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