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De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by adamddev1 »

just_boost_it wrote: post #23
aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

I got a mac for the first time this year. Honestly, it feels like taking a shower after getting home from the beach on a sunny day when you've been wearing sunscreen. Everything just works with no extra garbage, no constant intrusive updates, no hassle. The only issue I had was the lack of alt-tab, and that was solved by an app called alt-tab.

I was also pretty pleased with my move to MacOS but one thing I really miss is the file navigation from Windows. Like when I want to drag a file somewhere a few difectories deep. I wish I could hold it over a folder and then have it open that next folder, and so on. Is there a way to enable this?

Also the in application file picker makes it difficult to go up and down directories.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by [deleted] »

jasonjayr wrote: post #59
anon25783 wrote: post #30

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A website run by a large corporation is very different from a store run by Jane. Jane does not have thousands or millions of people coming into her store, and she also is not selling CCTV footage from her store to advertising companies. We would be rightly outraged if she was. She also probably isn't sharing customer details or security footage with government authorities unless her store has been robbed or something…

Probably? * Using Quickbooks Online? they market/sell that data. * using ADT for payroll? They market/sell employee salary information. * Using Ring for security? they freely share video with LEO * etc, etc. All these services that SMB's use already have their fingers in the pie.

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Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by binkHN »

bee_rider wrote: post #110
binkHN wrote: post #85

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Surprisingly, I'm not sad at all. I've been using Windows for a long time and recently purchased a new computer with Windows 11. It's such an abomination that it forced me to try Linux for the very first time on my production machine, and I'm very pleased with the results. A thank you to Microsoft for giving me a reason to look somewhere else, and a sincere thank you to the open source community for all the work they…

There are some downsides to Linux, though. For example if you are made to use Windows at work you will feel sad, having seen what else is possible.

Fair. I still have a Windows VM that I keep around; looking forward to the day that I can delete it.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by harrygeez »

aorth wrote: post #106

Fantastic! How do we get access to this "European" version of Windows 11? Asking for Europeans who don't live in Europe, and for non-Europeans everywhere who want less Bing, Edge, and upselling in their OS.

When I still used Windows I remember there used to be a Windows "N" version. Some AIO ISOs will let you choose

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by donny2018 »

jchw wrote: post #55
just_boost_it wrote: post #23

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I got a mac for the first time this year. Honestly, it feels like taking a shower after getting home from the beach on a sunny day when you've been wearing sunscreen. Everything just works with no extra garbage, no constant intrusive updates, no hassle. The only issue I had was the lack of alt-tab, and that was solved by an app called alt-tab.

I find macOS annoying no matter what I do. AltTab is nice, but the window management still sucks in my opinion. The security bandages used to work around traditional desktop security models makes it feel incredibly annoying to use; I'll try to set a keyboard shortcut (not a global one mind you) in iTerm2 and suddenly I need to enable iTerm2 to have accessibility access? Disabling SIP is needed for a myriad of things…

Also, pressing (x) close button doesn’t close the app. It continues hanging somewhere inside of this $1500 machine’s 8GB of RAM.

That alone makes me forget all of the Windows’s quirks and appreciate all the basic things my Windows machine offers.

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Post by cscurmudgeon »

lovepronmostly wrote: post #14
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #8

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Regulators didn't enforce cookie banners. Cookie banners are a form of malicious compliance. When you complain about them, you are doing the lobbying work of ad companies for free. The correct solution is to just not spy on people, and the problem is that the EU didn't go far enough and just ban the behavior altogether.

What is the limit here? If I own a store and you walk into my store am I required to forget that you came into my store? Monday: Bill: "Hey Jane (store owner), do you have any X45 hammers?" Jane: "Sorry Bill, I'm out but might have some tomorrow" Tuesday: Bill "Did hammer come in I mentioned yesterday?" Jane: "What hammer? Sorry I'm not allowed to remember anything about people in my shop because that would be spying…

EU in 2035:

  All store owners and employees should get whacked in the head every day.
Don't give them ideas

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by 2Gkashmiri »

bee_rider wrote: post #110
binkHN wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surprisingly, I'm not sad at all. I've been using Windows for a long time and recently purchased a new computer with Windows 11. It's such an abomination that it forced me to try Linux for the very first time on my production machine, and I'm very pleased with the results. A thank you to Microsoft for giving me a reason to look somewhere else, and a sincere thank you to the open source community for all the work they…

There are some downsides to Linux, though. For example if you are made to use Windows at work you will feel sad, having seen what else is possible.

you can access windows rdp from linux so there is that. i have a work machine that is w10 but i have neon. i use krdc/remina to rdp into it and everything just works.

there is vm you can do but yeah, there are options

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by mtlmtlmtlmtl »

zamadatix wrote: post #49
lovepronmostly wrote: post #14

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What is the limit here? If I own a store and you walk into my store am I required to forget that you came into my store? Monday: Bill: "Hey Jane (store owner), do you have any X45 hammers?" Jane: "Sorry Bill, I'm out but might have some tomorrow" Tuesday: Bill "Did hammer come in I mentioned yesterday?" Jane: "What hammer? Sorry I'm not allowed to remember anything about people in my shop because that would be spying…

Law isn't like software code. It doesn't have to be put to an exhaustive set of unit tests to 100% pass rate and then worry about anything it might not have covered. The law just needs to signal intent and scope clear enough the judicial system can work with interpreting it to new applications in a way most people can consider consistent. In the case of cookies, they simply apply to computers and not people. Why? It'…

Excellent post.

To hammer your point home even further, there's also the key point that in the digital world you also have entities like Meta that track you everywhere you go because they have their little tracker scripts running on almost every website.

To bring this back to the previous hypothetical, it's more like a single person following you around with a camera everywhere you go, which is already covered by existing laws.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by handsclean »

zamadatix wrote: post #60
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regulators didn't enforce cookie banners. Cookie banners are a form of malicious compliance. When you complain about them, you are doing the lobbying work of ad companies for free. The correct solution is to just not spy on people, and the problem is that the EU didn't go far enough and just ban the behavior altogether.

The rules are really surprisingly encouraging about notification of cookies to the point it's quite easy to legitimately need to notify and gain consent about something non-spying related requires consent. E.g. if you have a UI customization cookie which sets the results density preference and you want to store that more than a session (i.e. it should still save for a month later) then the official EU analysis of thi…

It’s trivial to implement this in a legal and user friendly way, just make the save button make clear that it’ll persist, or even add a persistence checkbox. Demanding consent as an aggressive popup when it isn’t necessary for anything but ad tracking is not a good faith compliance effort, it’s an attempt to avoid real compliance by just having the user just sign off on whatever they were already doing.
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