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De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

lovepronmostly wrote: post #26
kmeisthax wrote: post #24

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Yes. In fact, you already do this most of the time. The right to be forgotten is so fundamental to humanity that humans have to expend extra effort to violate it and remember stuff. Machines with perfect memory violate the right to be forgotten by default and we have to tell them to forget things. Hence the regulation.

I don't do this most of the time. It keep a diary. I keep records of all kinds of stuff.

Do you... write down the name of every person that walks into your store, then cross-correlate so you have nice little lists of every time each person came in and what they bought and how they looked that day? Because doing the same thing online companies get away with is generally seen as stalking in the real world.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by blindhippo »

cmcaleer wrote: post #97
zbrozek wrote: post #43

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I got my first mac through work this year and I hate the UI. It's very nice that it doesn't come with as much bloat (but it does still come it, e.g., Apple news, music, etc). I absolutely hate the window management. Inconsistent behavior on double click of the title bar (Chrome maximizes and Slack doesn't) is annoying. Lack of snapping and tiling (a la super-arrow) drives me nuts. That command-tab will switch me to a…

> I got my first mac through work this year and I hate the UI. I am baffled by whoever thought having icons leap in the toolbar as a default behaviour was an OK thing to do. Drives me crazy when I use a Mac other than mine. I have lots of little issues with the UX. Play button opening Apple Music -- ahh! Running unsigned apps is easy but I always get caught out by the right click thing. > you can install a dozen litt…

I gave up trying to use a mouse on OSX years ago (the acceleration curve causes physical pain for me) and leaned into what Apple did right: trackpads. I got an apple trackpad for my desk setup, and otherwise use the built in trackpad on the macbook.

Doesn't help for those who need a mouse device (cad/design/photo-editing, etc), but for what I use it for (software dev/ops work), it's great. Trackpads in a windows ecosystem feel absolutely horrendous to me, so I just use mice there lol.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by rvdginste »

aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

Been using Debian Linux as my main os for over 20 years. And happy that there’s less and less of a need to run a Windows vm.

But even though most people are not happy with the recent evolution of Windows, most people will complain and then use it anyway. And Microsoft will get away with it and will take another step with the next release…

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by vladvasiliu »

zbrozek wrote: post #43
just_boost_it wrote: post #23

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I got a mac for the first time this year. Honestly, it feels like taking a shower after getting home from the beach on a sunny day when you've been wearing sunscreen. Everything just works with no extra garbage, no constant intrusive updates, no hassle. The only issue I had was the lack of alt-tab, and that was solved by an app called alt-tab.

I got my first mac through work this year and I hate the UI. It's very nice that it doesn't come with as much bloat (but it does still come it, e.g., Apple news, music, etc). I absolutely hate the window management. Inconsistent behavior on double click of the title bar (Chrome maximizes and Slack doesn't) is annoying. Lack of snapping and tiling (a la super-arrow) drives me nuts. That command-tab will switch me to a…

> And I also hate the nonstandard keyboard layout and shortcuts.

I think you may grow to like them, especially if you routinely type in languages other than your layout.

For example, I use a physical QWERTY layout, but often type in French (the latter is an abomination for programming and similar). I can very easily use dead keys to create the accents. I type as quickly in French on a Mac QWERTY as I used to on a regular AZERTY (it still requires dead keys for some characters).

If you use terminals, now your copy/paste shortcuts stay the same across apps. Trying to copy something without paying attention won't quit your running program / return you to the end of the history.

At first, I also found it a bit weird, but it has grown on me so much that now that I don't use a mac anymore, I try to bring it with me. One of the reasons why I hate using Windows at work, is that I can't get it to have a fully mac-like keyboard. I'm pretty close, but it insists on having the right alt as AltGr, which is a PITA, especially since it can't be moved. On Linux, the Mac layout works perfectly, at least on X11.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by cmcaleer »

blindhippo wrote: post #102
cmcaleer wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I got my first mac through work this year and I hate the UI. I am baffled by whoever thought having icons leap in the toolbar as a default behaviour was an OK thing to do. Drives me crazy when I use a Mac other than mine. I have lots of little issues with the UX. Play button opening Apple Music -- ahh! Running unsigned apps is easy but I always get caught out by the right click thing. > you can install a dozen litt…

I gave up trying to use a mouse on OSX years ago (the acceleration curve causes physical pain for me) and leaned into what Apple did right: trackpads. I got an apple trackpad for my desk setup, and otherwise use the built in trackpad on the macbook. Doesn't help for those who need a mouse device (cad/design/photo-editing, etc), but for what I use it for (software dev/ops work), it's great. Trackpads in a windows ecos…

God bless the trackpad on Macbooks. Some Windows laptops come close but none match it.

Thumbs up for Smooze if you're looking to try and have a somewhat usable mouse experience. It's 20 bucks because of course it is, why wouldn't a tool to allow a need that basic cost money? It does have a trial. Maybe another commenter can recommend something free but when I was looking a couple years ago it was the only thing that did it right.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by binkHN »

rvdginste wrote: post #103
aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

Been using Debian Linux as my main os for over 20 years. And happy that there’s less and less of a need to run a Windows vm. But even though most people are not happy with the recent evolution of Windows, most people will complain and then use it anyway. And Microsoft will get away with it and will take another step with the next release…

Microsoft is shooting themselves in the foot; Windows is dying and they are milking what's left. The new generation will not touch Windows with a 20 foot pole.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

#108

Post by vladvasiliu »

blindhippo wrote: post #102
cmcaleer wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I got my first mac through work this year and I hate the UI. I am baffled by whoever thought having icons leap in the toolbar as a default behaviour was an OK thing to do. Drives me crazy when I use a Mac other than mine. I have lots of little issues with the UX. Play button opening Apple Music -- ahh! Running unsigned apps is easy but I always get caught out by the right click thing. > you can install a dozen litt…

I gave up trying to use a mouse on OSX years ago (the acceleration curve causes physical pain for me) and leaned into what Apple did right: trackpads. I got an apple trackpad for my desk setup, and otherwise use the built in trackpad on the macbook. Doesn't help for those who need a mouse device (cad/design/photo-editing, etc), but for what I use it for (software dev/ops work), it's great. Trackpads in a windows ecos…

YMMV, but I've found that using very high resolution (~3000 DPI) "gaming" mice works very well under MacOS. This works well with my tendency to not move my hand very much when mousing, but still expect the pointer to go to the other side of the screen. Plus, some of those mice have on-board memory which allows customizing their buttons without having some crappy app running in the background (Logitech G vs normal Logitech).

Using a regular mouse does feel like trying to push a string through sand.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by josephcsible »

Mindless2112 wrote: post #2

> Microsoft's post notes that Windows uses the region picked during Windows install to offer the EEA-exclusive options. Only a PC reset can undo the options. Looks like I will be telling Windows that I live in the EEA next time I install.

I predict that Microsoft will soon create something equivalent to Apple's "countryd", with the sole purpose of preventing people outside of the EU from having access to this.

Re: De-crufted Windows 11 coming to Europe soon

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Post by bee_rider »

binkHN wrote: post #85
aetherspawn wrote: post #3

Suppose you are buying a new laptop ... does anyone else feel sad that their operating system has effectively turned into some weird social media marketing tracking data harvesting hybrid of a thing? But in the name of progress and security, you can't stay on Windows 10. So for me it's this weird middle ground right now .. waiting for either Windows to U-turn, die out, or for more work apps to port to OS X.

Surprisingly, I'm not sad at all. I've been using Windows for a long time and recently purchased a new computer with Windows 11. It's such an abomination that it forced me to try Linux for the very first time on my production machine, and I'm very pleased with the results. A thank you to Microsoft for giving me a reason to look somewhere else, and a sincere thank you to the open source community for all the work they…

There are some downsides to Linux, though. For example if you are made to use Windows at work you will feel sad, having seen what else is possible.
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