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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by xNeil »

windex wrote: post #83
anaganisk wrote: post #21

Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

Unfortunately, India today is not exactly a beacon of righteousness. The current government in India is taking the country on exactly the same path as Pakistan except that India has an oligarchy which is being setup by people in government which would make it more like Russia. I'll give the country 10 years to implode if it doesn't course correct to become more inclusive, social justice oriented, and less violent.

10 years to implode on what basis? That there's an oligarchy of sorts? What an absurd statement.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by kumarvvr »

ourmandave wrote: post #72

Scrolling through the comments, Imran was arrested for accepting bribes worth billions while in office. Some comments say it's true, the other it's false charges. Does anybody have a credible source for what's really going on? The point of propaganda is not to make people believe it. It is to foster cynicism so that we don’t know what to believe and come to believe that nothing is true, no facts are reliable, and the…

The army propped up Imran Khan.

Unfortunately for them, IK was too ambitious and rebellious.

He started using the army's traditional rhetoric against them.

However, due to economic turmoil, IK became very popular right under the nose of the army.

This causes more difficulty in removing him for the army, than what they had faced with others.

Now, the army and IK are at loggerheads with each other. Essentially a good chunk of the population with a cult like following for IK, against the army which is a major political and economical force in its own right, but not power given by the people.

An immovable object vs. an unstoppable force.

Looks like IK will be the one who will be destroyed.

All other narratives (corruption, bribes, etc) are for plebs like us to debate. In the grand scheme of things, those don't matter to Pakistan, because the struggle is not over corruption, but power politics.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by dingledork69 »

alephnerd wrote: post #96
dingledork69 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get an old android phone and flash some degoogled rom on it. There's plenty of them floating around.

Those sites hosting degoogled Roms might be blocked themselves by the ISP. In addition, certain countries may require you to run approved Roms, and if you don't you can face prosecution. This has been done in action in India with ISPs like Jio to block TPB for example. Remember - any traffic over the internet can be logged by your service provider (eg. ISP, VPN, etc)

Sure, and when they release the mind reading necromancers we'll all be totally screwed, too.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by n_t »

anaganisk wrote: post #68
n_t wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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I was waiting for you to arrive, not you literally but some propaganda machine, I've moved to the US last year for higher education, and fortunately for me here I was able to meet a lot of Pakistani's. And not once did anyone say anything against India or me. In fact even the older generation was so thoughtful, and recognized our shared culture and history. And they were sometimes more friendly and less judgemental t…

There is a company called Google just for this. But you can begin digging the rabbit hole here, which has more links https://www.reddit.com/r/pakistan/comments/mpd7cm/pakistan_a...

@dang wants this to stop, so i'll respect that and wont be back in this thread. But do put a link from india's textbook which spews hatred against Pakistanis or muslims? Please enlighten me.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by alephnerd »

erklik wrote: post #43
alephnerd wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of Pakistani journalists publish in Indian newspapers due to censorship in Pakistan. Just about every English language Indian newspaper has a column published by senior Pakistani journalists and press offices in every major city in Pakistan. There's a very healthy cross-border journalism ecosystem in South Asia.

> press offices in every major city in Pakistan. Which Indian newspaper has press offices in "every major city in Pakistan"? > Lots of Pakistani journalists publish in Indian newspapers due to censorship in Pakistan. Nonetheless, Indian media has consistently shown to provide either outright false news, or very exaggerated facts to suit Indian narrative. One example is : https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/11/eu-n…

> Which Indian newspaper has press offices in "every major city in Pakistan"?

Hindustan Times, Deccan Chronicle, Indian Express, The Tribune, The Print, NDTV, The Wire, Scroll.in, Outlook India, Himal (technically HQed in Nepal) have all supported Freelance journalists plus the beginning few I have listed have had press desks in Islamabad/Karachi/Lahore as well. The list I created is non-exhaustive btw.

> Nonetheless, Indian media has consistently shown to provide either outright false news, or very exaggerated facts to suit Indian narrative. One example is : https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/11/eu-ngo-report-unco...

The example provided was specifically around IB creating fake webpages while misappropriating photos and names of Indian journalists. This was not done by existing Indian newspapers. In fact, Indian media would have had a massive field day parading political misinfo occurring in competing news organizations.

The investigation you mentioned - https://www.disinfo.eu/publications/indian-chronicles-deep-d...

Btw - I do agree that a lot of Indian media orgs have a misconstrued image of Pakistan, but conversely so do similar orgs in Pakistan. Also, the Indian media market is extremely segmented based on readership.

A lot of the bad reporting about Pakistan in Indian newspapers comes from the newspapers aimed at normal citizens, nor policymakers. The type of newspapers that someone working in a Ministry reads is different from the kind that a migrant worker from Assam reads.

Also, you do realize that a significant portion of Indians can speak Punjabi/Sindhi/Pakhtu and listen+read Pakistani news channels or news radio along with Indians ones as well right?

It sounds like you might have some misconceptions about India as well tbh.

Indian reporting about Pakistan is about tamasha/entertainment now - Indian media orgs increasingly talk about China instead now and in the same manner that they used to talk about Pakistan.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by xNeil »

mildmotive wrote: post #16
adolph wrote: post #3

Khan has been arrested in connection with the Al-Qadir Trust case, in which the former prime minister and his wife have been accused of receiving “billions of rupees from a real estate firm for legalising a laundered amount of Rs 50 billion”, Dawn reported. The former PM has been facing a clutch of cases since his ouster through a no trust vote in April last year. At present, he is facing over 140 cases related to te…

> https://indianexpress.com/ India hates Pakistan. Knowing this, it’s hard not to take what they have to say about Pakistan’s politics with a grain of salt.

It's a lot more nuanced than India hating Pakistan. Discrediting a newspaper for being Indian doesn't seem like the right approach - it's the equivalent of dismissing any and all news on Russia or China by American papers. Should the NYT or WSJ reporting on Putin and Xi be ignored for the sole idea that the US hates these countries?

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by 1024core »

darth_avocado wrote: post #97
skeaker wrote: post #6

I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

If you live in a country where internet can be blocked, so can access to power. Satellite relays or other DIY devices or starling or pretty much anything else doesn’t work if you have no power.

Batteries? Solar power?

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by JimmyAustin »

kibwen wrote: post #25
JimmyAustin wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are describing StarLink once they get laser-based relaying between satellites working.

Indeed, a future where you'll never lose access to the internet as long as you agree to never make fun of Elon Musk on Twitter. Jokes aside, corporations are no better than governments when it comes to censorship. They're corruptible, centralized points of failure.

The likelyhood of a decentralized constellation of low orbit satellites ever existing is next to zero, and having additional internet connectivity options can never reduce availability. Sure corporations and governments are both corruptible, but if both are available, and neither can impose on the other (I don't think Pakistan has much of a say in how SpaceX runs StarLink, and SpaceX doesn't have a say in Pakistan runs Pakistan), the existence of another option is good.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by kumarvvr »

anaganisk wrote: post #21

Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

>We fought together to gain freedom and just drifted apart.

A movement propped up on the idea of a "separate nation for muslims", fought hard for and achieved with much violence and bloodshed is "just drifted apart"

Wow !

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