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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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there is no world where using Starlink won't be easily detectable. You're beaming radio waves up into space, all you need is a helicopter with a $100 antenna.

Encryption is a thing.

The satellite dish is a spot light. It doesn’t matter if the signal is encrypted (it is), the radio signal can be detected. Maybe not from the side but definitely from above. The dish is big enough that can see it optically.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Maybe the internet as a whole is intractable. But perhaps we can get a meaningful digest of snapshots of the important stuff that can work over slow links, intermittent links, and one-way links? Perhaps we can mechanize the selection of important content. The real question is how you do this in a way that doesn't encourage one-sided propaganda, sybil attacks, etc. I'm reminded of systems like Secure Scuttlebutt and t…

We now have the ability to train entire language models that contain information, can regurgitate it in the form of articles, and can even interact through conversation. Right now they’re big, but with continued improvements we could likely have useful and accurate models that fit on USB sticks and can be distributed through Bluetooth.

If you're sneaking in USB's, why put an LLM on them and not just articles/data/wikis? (Curious if I'm missing something here)

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

Unfortunately, India today is not exactly a beacon of righteousness. The current government in India is taking the country on exactly the same path as Pakistan except that India has an oligarchy which is being setup by people in government which would make it more like Russia. I'll give the country 10 years to implode if it doesn't course correct to become more inclusive, social justice oriented, and less violent.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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While imperial Britain has much to take blame for in South Asia, the partition is not really one of them. Great Britain (or rather Mountbatten on its behalf) really just acted as a third party arbiter in the partition. It was Jinnah's insistence on a separate carveout for Muslims in South Asia, together with Nehru's refusal to meet any demands for federalism, that resulted in partition. Imperial Britain had nothing t…

Considering today's Hindu supremacist government you could argue Jinnah was right to be worried about the status of the muslim minority.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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While imperial Britain has much to take blame for in South Asia, the partition is not really one of them. Great Britain (or rather Mountbatten on its behalf) really just acted as a third party arbiter in the partition. It was Jinnah's insistence on a separate carveout for Muslims in South Asia, together with Nehru's refusal to meet any demands for federalism, that resulted in partition. Imperial Britain had nothing t…

I think the argument is that for the previous 100 years, Imperial Britain had deliberately encouraged violent divisions between the Hindu and Muslim populations as a means of exerting external control, again this is called a 'divide and conquer' policy. Your argument is sort of like saying, just because the British gave them the dynamite, they're not responsible for lighting the fuse.

Indeed, safe handling of dynamite involves not lighting the fuze deliberately.

What happened after the abolition of British Raj was in part a consequence of it, but I would not deny agency of the participants of the warfare that ensued.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

Unfortunately, India today is not exactly a beacon of righteousness. The current government in India is taking the country on exactly the same path as Pakistan except that India has an oligarchy which is being setup by people in government which would make it more like Russia. I'll give the country 10 years to implode if it doesn't course correct to become more inclusive, social justice oriented, and less violent.

> I'll give the country 10 years to implode

I'll take predictions that won't happen for 100, Alex.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Please don't obfuscate things here. Both OP and I are talking about Pakistani state. We all are aware that individual (particularly sane ones) have minimal control on government policies.

No I wasn't talking about the Pakistan state, I literally said an avg citizen. Calm down, dial down the propaganda and read my comment again.

Please don't respond to a bad comment by breaking the site guidelines yourself. That only makes things worse.

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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Starlink dishes are trivial to detect with even 1990s military technology when active. There's no way any satellite uplink can be hidden from a motivated adversary.

Yes, but we're not talking about Starlink. I'm talking about Othernet, which I mentioned above. It is receive only-- not an uplink. (I'm sure a tiny bit of RF leaks out of the LNB, but that could be mitigated as it is not designed for stealth).

> I'm sure a tiny bit of RF leaks out of the LNB

Any receiver using the heterodyne principle (this includes most current digital radio modems) is trivially detected by its local oscillator, often to some considerable range (potentially hundreds of metres).

In the UK, the BBC used to exploit this, with radio detection vans patrolling the streets for unauthorized receivers, to fine people for watching TV without a license. So did the USSR with shortwave receivers, where the penalty was potentially more than a fine. A satellite receiver is the same, in principle.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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there is no world where using Starlink won't be easily detectable. You're beaming radio waves up into space, all you need is a helicopter with a $100 antenna.

Encryption is a thing.

Encryption does not mean invulnerability.

https://xkcd.com/538/

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