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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by alephnerd »

x-complexity wrote: post #34
alephnerd wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HK protesters tried mesh networking in 2014-2019 as well as anti-Covid protesters in China in 2022 but both were quickly shut down by blocking the service providers (Bluetooth mesh sharing apps were removed in HK app stores and Apple Airdrop for the latter).

> HK protesters tried mesh networking in 2014-2019 as well as anti-Covid protesters in China in 2022 but both were quickly shut down by blocking the service providers (Bluetooth mesh sharing apps were removed in HK app stores and Apple Airdrop for the latter). It doesn't help that even if app sideloading was made possible on iOS, the significant drop in installations will still happen once the apps are pulled from of…

Hypothetically, if sideloading is allowed

1. How do you access said apps? There has to be some repository storing the apps.

2. Certain regions can straight up ban sideloading by only allowing pre-approved app stores (eg. Mainland China). Ofc there will be technical ways to bypass this, but you are limited by technical knowhow and internal intelligence agencies abilities to find those people.

3. You could make using certain apps with such capabilities illegal. People may try to use it, but if found among a small set of protesters, they can just be "isolated". How do you prevent that?

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by lazide »

Dalewyn wrote: post #28
lazide wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This isn't really a technical issue, per-se. It's a social one, because social means are what are used to enforce the lockdowns - and those social means exist because of socially justified purposes in the societies. Unless it was literally impossible to block internet access at all (some kind of unjammable starlink with undetectable receivers/transceivers?).

Generally speaking, any kind of radio transmission is detectable. It's why radio silence is a thing when stealth is important.

The tricky thing is that receiving radio transmissions is also usually detectable - and a transceiver has to, by it's nature, transmit.

[https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/5699393]

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by erklik »

alephnerd wrote: post #26
mildmotive wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> https://indianexpress.com/ India hates Pakistan. Knowing this, it’s hard not to take what they have to say about Pakistan’s politics with a grain of salt.

Lots of Pakistani journalists publish in Indian newspapers due to censorship in Pakistan. Just about every English language Indian newspaper has a column published by senior Pakistani journalists and press offices in every major city in Pakistan. There's a very healthy cross-border journalism ecosystem in South Asia.

> press offices in every major city in Pakistan.

Which Indian newspaper has press offices in "every major city in Pakistan"?

> Lots of Pakistani journalists publish in Indian newspapers due to censorship in Pakistan.

Nonetheless, Indian media has consistently shown to provide either outright false news, or very exaggerated facts to suit Indian narrative. One example is :

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/12/11/eu-ngo-report-unco...

> The researchers said they had “uncovered an entire network of coordinated UN-accredited NGOs promoting Indian interests and criticising Pakistan repeatedly. We could tie at least 10 of them directly to the Srivastava family, with several other dubious NGOs pushing the same messages.”

Trusting any content from an Indian news source about Pakistan without corroboration is entirely like trusting Russia when it's talking about the Ukraine War.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by n_t »

mey wrote: post #36
n_t wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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That doesn't preclude empathy for fellow humans, or wishing for a better future.

Please don't obfuscate things here. Both OP and I are talking about Pakistani state. We all are aware that individual (particularly sane ones) have minimal control on government policies.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by wanderlust123 »

n_t wrote: post #33
anaganisk wrote: post #21

Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

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Lol this is literally propaganda. One could say the same about Modi and his RSS mob.

The original post was making a point about humanity, and you hijacked it with your own agenda. Way to go bud.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by xwolfi »

mc32 wrote: post #29
anaganisk wrote: post #21

Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

The whole world seems to be aligning with this type of politicking, unfortunately.

Not at all: it s not because we have to alternate we should tolerate corruption, and what you see a lot is investigations catching up to criminals.

At least as a French even if we sue a few former presidents here and there, I still accept my candidate loses and we try something else for a whole (I vote Macron, as centre right).

I dont think the US should count much: they dont really transfer power, there are the same immutable parties that havent welcomed a serious challenger for decades playing theatre while having policy continuity by most standards, bar a few candies for the populace at the edge.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by nashashmi »

n_t wrote: post #33
anaganisk wrote: post #21

Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

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As a Pakistani, I know none of the things you hint at is true.

In sindh, there loads of Hindus. And there is no internal strife or persecution of them.

In fact, the only point of animosity with India starts and stops at Kashmir.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by wanderlust123 »

plugin-baby wrote: post #19
nickpeterson wrote: post #5

“Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook” -Truman

> gets rich Presumably this is meant to imply something about Khan. Was he poor before he became a politician?

Noone familiar with the situation would seriously accuse khan of corruption. All the charges against him are bogus too (hence the response by the public, of which 60-70% supported him).

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by dingledork69 »

alephnerd wrote: post #41
x-complexity wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> HK protesters tried mesh networking in 2014-2019 as well as anti-Covid protesters in China in 2022 but both were quickly shut down by blocking the service providers (Bluetooth mesh sharing apps were removed in HK app stores and Apple Airdrop for the latter). It doesn't help that even if app sideloading was made possible on iOS, the significant drop in installations will still happen once the apps are pulled from of…

Hypothetically, if sideloading is allowed 1. How do you access said apps? There has to be some repository storing the apps. 2. Certain regions can straight up ban sideloading by only allowing pre-approved app stores (eg. Mainland China). Ofc there will be technical ways to bypass this, but you are limited by technical knowhow and internal intelligence agencies abilities to find those people. 3. You could make using c…

> How do you access said apps?

Sent to you via bluetooth file sharing (an OS feature) by someone else who already has it. Or tor, vpn, etc.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Post by photochemsyn »

anaganisk wrote: post #21

Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

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