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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Contrary to popular belief, at least in my country (India). I feel bad for the citizens of Pakistan. There has not been a single stint of govt that has lasted peacefully since independence. A country can never grow without a peaceful transfer of power, and constant political imbalance will just not allow anything to advance. A shared history/culture with us and it's a shame our govts have differences. We fought toget…

Unfortunately, India today is not exactly a beacon of righteousness. The current government in India is taking the country on exactly the same path as Pakistan except that India has an oligarchy which is being setup by people in government which would make it more like Russia. I'll give the country 10 years to implode if it doesn't course correct to become more inclusive, social justice oriented, and less violent.

People have been predicting Pakistan will collapse since 1947. It can’t be as fragile as it looks or it’d be gone already. Regarding India, hoping people who have different values to you suffer isn’t a prediction .

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Sounds useless for the internet (where every protocol is fundamentally two way), but great for ‘Radio America’ type broadcasts. Of course, so is shortwave. definitely not solving the same ‘problem’ at all though.

You're replying to a thread where I started by saying " Maybe the internet as a whole is intractable ."

could you say this seven more times?

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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You are describing StarLink once they get laser-based relaying between satellites working.

Indeed, a future where you'll never lose access to the internet as long as you agree to never make fun of Elon Musk on Twitter. Jokes aside, corporations are no better than governments when it comes to censorship. They're corruptible, centralized points of failure.

There’s usually an alternative. The state by definition has no competition in its territory. I think that makes companies a bit better.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

> a foundation of modern society

For most people, it's entertainment. And before the internet, we had newspapers and television and radio and telephones, much more easily blocked by authoritarians than the internet.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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As a Pakistani, I know none of the things you hint at is true. In sindh, there loads of Hindus. And there is no internal strife or persecution of them. In fact, the only point of animosity with India starts and stops at Kashmir.

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Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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How do you download a Tor client if every repository providing it is blocked by default? What if Bluetooth File Sharing is disabled via a region lock? (Eg. China) What if the only VPNs allowed are those that have prior approval from an Interior Ministry? What if a country initiates Internet Whitelisting at the ISP level for "national security reasons" and requires every user to maintain access logs?

Get an old android phone and flash some degoogled rom on it. There's plenty of them floating around.

Those sites hosting degoogled Roms might be blocked themselves by the ISP.

In addition, certain countries may require you to run approved Roms, and if you don't you can face prosecution.

This has been done in action in India with ISPs like Jio to block TPB for example.

Remember - any traffic over the internet can be logged by your service provider (eg. ISP, VPN, etc)

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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I would like to believe there is a future where blocking access to the internet is unilaterally impossible. Major powers being able to pull the rug on what has become a foundation of modern society like this is too scary of a thing to allow. What could the answer be? Satellite-powered relays and DIY-able user devices to talk to them?

If you live in a country where internet can be blocked, so can access to power. Satellite relays or other DIY devices or starling or pretty much anything else doesn’t work if you have no power.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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Indeed, a future where you'll never lose access to the internet as long as you agree to never make fun of Elon Musk on Twitter. Jokes aside, corporations are no better than governments when it comes to censorship. They're corruptible, centralized points of failure.

There’s usually an alternative. The state by definition has no competition in its territory. I think that makes companies a bit better.

> The state by definition has no competition in its territory.

Been to Pakistan lately?

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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The whole world seems to be aligning with this type of politicking, unfortunately.

Not at all: it s not because we have to alternate we should tolerate corruption, and what you see a lot is investigations catching up to criminals. At least as a French even if we sue a few former presidents here and there, I still accept my candidate loses and we try something else for a whole (I vote Macron, as centre right). I dont think the US should count much: they dont really transfer power, there are the same…

The so-called deep-state exists in all countries that have not experienced recent revolution. The deep state is simply entrenched unelected (appointed) bureaucrats who continue a steady policy who only marginally change course during elected government changes. Only revolutions tend to almost completely sweep out the old and usher in the new guard. In France you have the sciences po graduates. In America we have the Washington Establishment which consists of revolving door politicians|lobbyists.

In any case, the world is gravitating to Us vs Them in politics to win by divide & conquer.

Re: Internet disrupted in Pakistan amid arrest of former PM Imran Khan

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“Show me a man that gets rich by being a politician, and I'll show you a crook” -Truman

Bill and Hillary Clinton. Mega-rich after decades of public service, lol.

Gotta love those million dollar speaking fee paychecks.
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