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Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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post #39

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Patreon doesn't currently and doesn't want to us Apple's infrastructure. They're being "forced" to do so, hence this post.

they should have just gone the same route as amazon with ebooks and removed the ability to subscribe in the app.

If you can't pay money to content makers, what's the point of a patreon app? It's the whole purpose.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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post #80

As a longtime YouTube creator who uses Patreon for financial support, the news is terrible: Patreon informed me that all creators must switch to a monthly subscription schedule instead of the per-creation schedule that I and many other currently use. The whole point of per-creation is that it allows me to take time off, and only charge people when I release something, thus incentivizing me, and being fair to my suppo…

It’s bad, yes. It would be good if Patreon allowed sticking with the billing systems which Apple is forbidding, but I do understand that they may no longer be able to justify the business expense of maintaining them given the anticipated changes in usage patterns.

Practical suggestion:

Maybe you can project a certain number of releases per year, reduce that projection slightly to give yourself a margin of flexibility, announce that target to your supporters, be explicit wit them that the rate of output throughout the year will be uneven, and then charge a monthly subscription price of 1/12 of the total price for your annual target output?

Assuning a good projection would smoothly have approximately the same financial outcome for everyone as the status quo in most cases. I can think of ways in which this could be gamed, but most of those who would want to bother gaming it are probably cash-poor enough that you may not mind, or if too many people do this to preserve your financial objectives I can also think of workarounds for most of the potential abuses.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one. Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.

Apple users (I'm not one of them) seem fine with that arrangement.

Apple users mostly don’t know about the fee and almost all of them didn’t know about it when they joined the apple ecosystem.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Email works just fine? Seriously, absolutely hate the trend of making apps out of websites.

Me too, but shockingly there are a lot of people who don't have a computer, just a phone. I even know people in their 40s like this.

Phones usually have a web browser installed.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

#105
post #33

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If nothing else, to get consistent notifications from the creators you are a patron of, as Apple dragged their feet on web app notifications for many years, and they are still crippled and unreliable.

Email works just fine? Seriously, absolutely hate the trend of making apps out of websites.

Even webbrowsers can use push notifications for webapps IIRC, so that would also be a thing (ignoring that Apple kneecaps PWAs, dunno if they allow this).

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

#106
post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they should have just gone the same route as amazon with ebooks and removed the ability to subscribe in the app.

If you can't pay money to content makers, what's the point of a patreon app? It's the whole purpose.

Seeing the content you paid for when using a non mobile device?

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Email works just fine? Seriously, absolutely hate the trend of making apps out of websites.

Me too, but shockingly there are a lot of people who don't have a computer, just a phone. I even know people in their 40s like this.

I can read my email on my phone, and also get it to notify me when I get a new one from a particular address. It's not as easy as installing an app, but it's really not that hard either.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

#108

The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one. Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.

The App Store model was specifically implemented and approved by Steve Jobs. There's old internal e-mails from him complaining about Amazon's reader app making it too easy to buy books without paying the (increasingly literal) Apple Tax. In fact, the reason why antitrust lawsuits seem to never stick to Apple is because all the mens rea was stored in the mind of a guy who tried to cure his pancreatic cancer with fruit…

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Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

#110
post #69

I like being able to cancel subscriptions from the App Store, it’s a huge advantage because companies will usually try to make it difficult to cancel.

Apple could add an API for 3rd party subscriptions to integrate with that screen. But Apple prefers to insinuate that you either pay them 30% or get scammed, and there is absolutely no option in between.

30% is too high. Charge whatever Visa charges.
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