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Patreon doesn't currently and doesn't want to us Apple's infrastructure. They're being "forced" to do so, hence this post.
they should have just gone the same route as amazon with ebooks and removed the ability to subscribe in the app.
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#102As a longtime YouTube creator who uses Patreon for financial support, the news is terrible: Patreon informed me that all creators must switch to a monthly subscription schedule instead of the per-creation schedule that I and many other currently use. The whole point of per-creation is that it allows me to take time off, and only charge people when I release something, thus incentivizing me, and being fair to my suppo…
Practical suggestion:
Maybe you can project a certain number of releases per year, reduce that projection slightly to give yourself a margin of flexibility, announce that target to your supporters, be explicit wit them that the rate of output throughout the year will be uneven, and then charge a monthly subscription price of 1/12 of the total price for your annual target output?
Assuning a good projection would smoothly have approximately the same financial outcome for everyone as the status quo in most cases. I can think of ways in which this could be gamed, but most of those who would want to bother gaming it are probably cash-poor enough that you may not mind, or if too many people do this to preserve your financial objectives I can also think of workarounds for most of the potential abuses.
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#103The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one. Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.
Apple users (I'm not one of them) seem fine with that arrangement.
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Email works just fine? Seriously, absolutely hate the trend of making apps out of websites.
Me too, but shockingly there are a lot of people who don't have a computer, just a phone. I even know people in their 40s like this.
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If nothing else, to get consistent notifications from the creators you are a patron of, as Apple dragged their feet on web app notifications for many years, and they are still crippled and unreliable.
Email works just fine? Seriously, absolutely hate the trend of making apps out of websites.
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they should have just gone the same route as amazon with ebooks and removed the ability to subscribe in the app.
If you can't pay money to content makers, what's the point of a patreon app? It's the whole purpose.
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Email works just fine? Seriously, absolutely hate the trend of making apps out of websites.
Me too, but shockingly there are a lot of people who don't have a computer, just a phone. I even know people in their 40s like this.
Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon
#108The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one. Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.
The App Store model was specifically implemented and approved by Steve Jobs. There's old internal e-mails from him complaining about Amazon's reader app making it too easy to buy books without paying the (increasingly literal) Apple Tax. In fact, the reason why antitrust lawsuits seem to never stick to Apple is because all the mens rea was stored in the mind of a guy who tried to cure his pancreatic cancer with fruit…
Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon
#109I hope the automatic price offset is separated out and labeled in the cart/checkout as "Apple's user fee".
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#110I like being able to cancel subscriptions from the App Store, it’s a huge advantage because companies will usually try to make it difficult to cancel.
Apple could add an API for 3rd party subscriptions to integrate with that screen. But Apple prefers to insinuate that you either pay them 30% or get scammed, and there is absolutely no option in between.