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Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by jprete »

jasonlotito wrote: post #6
philipov wrote: post #2

Is this going to affect people who don't use patreon through the apple app store?

From my understanding: no. > If you have not switched to subscription billing by this November, your fans will not be able to purchase new memberships in the iOS app. Basically, you just won't be able to make purchases via the iOS app. Which is just really not great for creators. The per-creation billing is where this really stinks. I much prefer to have this all managed in Patreon rather than Apple. I'll be able to…

It sounds like they're outright killing per-creation patronage, so...yes? This seems to affect all their users?

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by polotics »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #9

Absurd. What next, they want a 30% cut from me when I set up automatic payments for my credit card through the banks iOS app?

No! They want 30% of your net worth each time you connect to your bank over the internet using an Apple device.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by add-sub-mul-div »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #9

Absurd. What next, they want a 30% cut from me when I set up automatic payments for my credit card through the banks iOS app?

Yeah I can't understand why people think that inviting new middlemen into their transactions is acceptable. It's time to stop prostrating ourselves to these companies.

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one.

Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.

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Post by xenospn »

Hamuko wrote: post #7

Is there a reason why Patreon doesn't just pull out of the App Store? Whenever I got Patreon rewards, I'd just get them in an email notification and the link there took me to the website. Worked great without having to download an app.

The 30% fee is steep, but conversion rates using in-app purchase are astronomical compared to regular webpages with a credit card form. Everyone hates it (developers, I mean), but it works very well.

Re: Apple's requirements are about to hit creators and fans on Patreon

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Post by Rinzler89 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #14

The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one. Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.

Apple users (I'm not one of them) seem fine with that arrangement.

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Post by pavel_lishin »

Hamuko wrote: post #7

Is there a reason why Patreon doesn't just pull out of the App Store? Whenever I got Patreon rewards, I'd just get them in an email notification and the link there took me to the website. Worked great without having to download an app.

Patreon has been pushing an app-based approach for awhile now; every email I get from them has callouts to open the notification in their app.

I don't know why they badly want this - presumably for more user tracking, or because studies show that people engage more, or whatever - but pulling out of the app store would be at odds with this desire to push everyone into their app.

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Post by _aavaa_ »

polotics wrote: post #12
_aavaa_ wrote: post #9

Absurd. What next, they want a 30% cut from me when I set up automatic payments for my credit card through the banks iOS app?

No! They want 30% of your net worth each time you connect to your bank over the internet using an Apple device.

30% of a negative number, I'll take that deal in a heartbeat.

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Post by GaggiX »

Rinzler89 wrote: post #17
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #14

The world where Apple is just completely fine with Apple users paying $13 instead of $10 for a subscription if they do it through an app is an interesting one. Obviously this makes a lot of money for them but when you think about it they must think very little of their customers treating them with disrespect like this. This is how 'Tim Cook's Apple' should be remembered.

Apple users (I'm not one of them) seem fine with that arrangement.

Apple is making sure that it is not easy for Apple users to find out about this fee.
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