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Post by xbar »

chx wrote: post #31
de6u99er wrote: post #8

Remember The Verge's PC build video? https://youtu.be/2lmfF0k2UcU

They just reviewed the ugreen nexode , a 200w six port USB C charger. What you can't find in this review is a comparison to the two other six port solutions at a similar wattage, that being the SlimQ F240 + their tiny DC extender and the EGO Exinno 240W. (Not to mention the famous ;) chx-hack of using the Lenovo tip version of the AS-240 GaN+SiC charger, the Lenovo 4X90U90620 slim tip splitter and two SlimQ DC extend…

Classic paid prop piece-style review.

It would be a failure to read The Verge, or other Vox Media properties, as journalism.

Re: The Verge is so bad they have me defending Apple [video]

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Post by Brian_K_White »

prepend wrote: post #82

I read the article and felt similarly. That the verge was just whining and presenting in a really negative light. The whole time I read It, I couldn’t help thinking “what do you want here? What’s the right thing?” The product is complex and hard to work on. It would be nice if they were designed to be easier to work on, but they’re waterproof and meant to be drop resistant, etc. I think it’s great they make these kit…

“what do you want here? What’s the right thing?”

Parts, and not having the thing artificially brick itself.

These tools do no harm other than the indirect and unprovable sort of harm suggested by the article, but they do no good either. They are irrelevant, in that lack of these tools is not what prevents repairing Apple products.

What prevents repairing Apple products is Apple using the US government to seize harvested 2nd hand parts they no longer have any moral right to control at the border by lying and claiming they are counterfeit, forcing component makers to exclusive deals where they are not allowed to sell custom chips to anyone but Apple, and Apple doesn't sell them, and no other manufacturer can make them since they are proprietary without published specs. And artificially bricking devices for no actual techical or security reason.

No one makes Apple do those things, and it costs Apple nothing to simply not do that. Well, nothing they have any right to in the first place.

Re: The Verge is so bad they have me defending Apple [video]

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Post by gruez »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #88
Bud wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may be the gripe of your particular highly-skilled niche of the right-to-repair movement, but wide swaths of said movement are agitating for products to be wholly redesigned in the ways they prefer, to aid in much easier repairs. Never mind what the other 98% of the market might like.

I disagree with both claims you are making - that right to repair folks are agitating for redesign, and that 98% of the market is happy with the status quo. If I go out and ask everyone I know, if they are happy with the current unrepairable appliances, the amount of people who answer yes is The only people I know who are happy, live in extreme privilidge where they can afford replacing devices annually. But let us s…

>If I go out and ask everyone I know, if they are happy with the current unrepairable appliances, the amount of people who answer yes is The question seems pointless because it's a combination of asking something that people always want more of (who doesn't want more repairability, at least in the abstract?), and fails to mention the trade-offs (eg. price, thinness, water resistance).

Re: The Verge is so bad they have me defending Apple [video]

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

gruez wrote: post #103
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I disagree with both claims you are making - that right to repair folks are agitating for redesign, and that 98% of the market is happy with the status quo. If I go out and ask everyone I know, if they are happy with the current unrepairable appliances, the amount of people who answer yes is The only people I know who are happy, live in extreme privilidge where they can afford replacing devices annually. But let us s…

>If I go out and ask everyone I know, if they are happy with the current unrepairable appliances, the amount of people who answer yes is The question seems pointless because it's a combination of asking something that people always want more of (who doesn't want more repairability, at least in the abstract?), and fails to mention the trade-offs (eg. price, thinness, water resistance).

They don't have IQ of a mushroom, we don't understand the tradeoffs

Anyway, is your result from doing simiar diffetent?

Re: The Verge is so bad they have me defending Apple [video]

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

HomeGear wrote: post #75
Nextgrid wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't be surprised if making the tools available was indeed a PR move by Apple to show off how difficult & inconvenient a "perfect" repair is to do. They didn't have to do it and as far as I know nobody was asking for those (opening/closing iPhones is a long-solved problem by various third-party tools) - instead the RtR crowd is asking for parts and schematics (which this self-repair program doesn't fully addres…

While I have no data to support this, I don’t think “regular people” are purchasing OEM parts, renting tools for a $1,200 deposit, and risking self-repair. To me, the idea is almost absurd.

I agree, but I think lots of regular people would like to get their phones fixed more cheaply at a third-party repair shop.

Re: The Verge is so bad they have me defending Apple [video]

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Post by quesera »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #88
Bud wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This may be the gripe of your particular highly-skilled niche of the right-to-repair movement, but wide swaths of said movement are agitating for products to be wholly redesigned in the ways they prefer, to aid in much easier repairs. Never mind what the other 98% of the market might like.

I disagree with both claims you are making - that right to repair folks are agitating for redesign, and that 98% of the market is happy with the status quo. If I go out and ask everyone I know, if they are happy with the current unrepairable appliances, the amount of people who answer yes is The only people I know who are happy, live in extreme privilidge where they can afford replacing devices annually. But let us s…

> If I go out and ask everyone I know, if they are happy with the current unrepairable appliances, the amount of people who answer yes is I find this incredible.

Most people have been throwing away / replacing perfectly repairable appliances since long before mobile phones.

What makes mobile phones different?

(Obligatory Framing: I'm all for RtR. I don't think it's practical to require Apple to dumb down their design or construction to fit what a consumer could accomplish at their basement bench. But if I, or my neighborhood repair shop, is sophisticated enough to perform the work, I do think parts should be available.)

Re: The Verge is so bad they have me defending Apple [video]

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Post by samsa »

Sebb767 wrote: post #63
samsa wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple would like you to have them / their contractors repair your device, or better yet buy a new one. Everything about this program signals that Apple is grudgingly doing this. It's designed to scare people away from doing the repairs themselves.

Honestly, how? They provide the parts at a reasonable price and even provide the actual tooling they use to get something as close to OEM repair as possible. There are a lot of things faulty at Apple, but this is not one of them.

I suppose "scare" was perhaps too strong a word. "Steer" would have been more appropriate. Search Apple's website for "repair" to get a sense of how important they think letting consumers know about this program is.

You'll find 404 responses when you click on repair manual links; the link to the self service repair is at the bottom of the support page; the self service storefront is very deliberately non-descript and as others have mentioned immediately raises red flags for people trained to look for basic clues about a site's legitimacy. Etc.

Re: The Verge is so bad they have me defending Apple [video]

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Post by fargle »

Sebb767 wrote: post #63
samsa wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple would like you to have them / their contractors repair your device, or better yet buy a new one. Everything about this program signals that Apple is grudgingly doing this. It's designed to scare people away from doing the repairs themselves.

Honestly, how? They provide the parts at a reasonable price and even provide the actual tooling they use to get something as close to OEM repair as possible. There are a lot of things faulty at Apple, but this is not one of them.

The issue is that the owners of a device should have the choice whether they want an OEM quality repair or just "good enough", not Apple. It's just not their position to make this decision for you.

The argument will be made that the "App Store" is there to protect you because security/privacy. And the DRM'd components are there to protect you from cheap chinese knockoffs. I think that's fine as long as it's opt-in.

But no, it's not for your protection - it's to control the market and drive the cost of repair higher so you will forced to buy a new phone more often. This is a blatant case of "OK you demanded right-to-repair, so let's show you how to make it as difficult as possible". It's not grudging - it's willful and spiteful.

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