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Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by listenallyall »

inefficient wrote: post #72
someelephant wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about we attempt to understand why people are thinking this way. Why are they not interested in thinking your way? What can be done to help both side talk and solve problems together?

Sure. I can help with this. I was actually discussing this earlier. The economy has been shit for middle class Americans for quite a while. Rent and home prices have been increasing far faster than wages. Furthermore, lots more nickel and diming has led to more debt and misery for the average middle american. The situation is even worse for people lower than that. However, especially for lower middle class white Amer…

> for a while we were working on fixing that unhappiness

who is "we" in this statement? and how were the things from your first paragraph being "fixed"?

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by otterley »

masterphilo wrote: post #67

Parler may have just ended its own business, I think. They should have pivoted to be a free speech alternative to sensible conservatives, with sensible moderation, and market their product as such. As it is, no one wants to do business with a company that openly allows neo-nazis, anti-semites, and lately, criminals, on their platform, and no one with a brain would even want to be on such a platform. I'm open to a Twi…

Twitter itself is open to conservative views. It’s just not open to outright lies about factual matters of critical importance, or to incitements to violence or the overthrow of the state. Surely one can express conservative opinions without resorting to such things—and most do.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by Traster »

Fjolsvith wrote: post #55
dontblink wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No. The time has passed when it crossed into violence. We should do here what the Germans did to Nazi groups after the war. Ban them.

You are kinda overlooking the fact that we haven't had the war yet.

Appeasement was quite a famous issue in WW2.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by geofft »

leereeves wrote: post #95
geofft wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This underlying principle would argue that democracy itself is unjust, and that we cannot, say, have laws against murder simply because the majority of people think that murder is bad. What if it's actually good? Consensus does not infer virtue. Shall we suspend all laws? The answer is that, while such an argument is technically true, we have yet to find a better way to structure society. Your example of Galileo stro…

> This underlying principle would argue that democracy itself is unjust...while such an argument is technically true, we have yet to find a better way to structure society. We certainly have found a better way to structure society: a Constitutional government that honors certain principles that even the democratically elected Congress and President can only override with much more than a majority, with judges trusted…

Who writes the constitution, and more importantly, who gives it their assent? Who appoints the judges and decides that they are trustworthy?

I'm not arguing for rule by simple majority. I do agree that important things need the consensus of much more than 51% of society (let alone 51% of people who bother to vote).

If it were only a simple majority of cloud hosts, text messaging services, email providers, and lawyers that ditched Parler, they would be in no danger at all.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by LatteLazy »

j8hn wrote: post #91
throwaway189262 wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's becoming obvious that the capital was stormed by crazies largely organized on the platform. It's coordinated in a way by companies realizing it's an enormous legal and political liability to have a relationship to them

Is this true that it was largely organized on Parler? A Washington Post article said it was very visible on Twitter and Facebook.

(not the person you replied to)

I think its almost the inverse: if there were 1m comments on Facebook/Twitter about it, they're among 1trn other comments on Facebook/twitter. If there 100k comments on parler, that's 10 times less. But there are only 100k (edit: 250k) comments on parler total and they're often about violently defending trumps "victory".

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by _y5hn »

sto_hristo wrote: post #86
baggachipz wrote: post #10

> "They made an attempt to not only kill the app, but to actually destroy the entire company. And it’s not just these three companies. Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day." If everybody else is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole.

Everybody was not an asshole for the two years this existed and suddenly became one a mere week ago. Strange, innit?

All those people became brainwashed last week then?

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by _y5hn »

j8hn wrote: post #82
throwaway189262 wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ehhh I've looked at parler out of curiosity. Basically full of hate, conspiracy, calls for violence, blatant racism "kill blacks" type stuff. I'm amazed companies were willing to work with them in the first place. Providing services to a company like that is like providing service to the KKK

Is this speech illegal?

Hate speech, discriminatory speech and defamation, lots of speech is criminal. It depends on context and intent, for which misguided tolerance for bullying we're now witnessing. For especially bad cults, ie. Germany banned Nazi symbols and speech.

Policy is made in a context, not just blind ideology.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by skynet-9000 »

simonh wrote: post #99
skynet-9000 wrote: post #74

When several vendors drop the same customer at the same time, and there are no state attorneys general bringing legal actions (and thus no grounds to assert illegal activity), then it seems like conspiracy to destroy a business, and a likely cause of action for tortious interference and possibly a RICO violation.

You’d have to prove conspiracy, but there’s no reason to believe any of these businesses conspired with each other.

You don't necessarily need a smoking gun email.

There's a (probably quite strong) case to be made that the timing -- all of these actions within 24 hours of each other -- is the proof of conspiracy.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by pfisch »

LatteLazy wrote: post #98
pfisch wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think widespread suppression of information about this planned protest would've mattered, but I don't think it was justified before the events at the capitol. Now I think it is a clear and easily foreseeable risk to allow this to continue.

I'm all for arresting anyone who plans specific violence. Before/after the events at the capital, I don't care. Go arrest them. Banning one site just moves them to another and gives them a persecution complex. 12months in prison for conspiracy to commit public disorder is a much better deterant for future planned insurrections.

So we should be referring everyone making idle threats on the internet to law enforcement? That seems unrealistic and honestly way more totalitarian than just moderation and censorship.

I also don't think law enforcement has the bandwidth to deal with it.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Post by j8hn »

pfisch wrote: post #15
LatteLazy wrote: post #12

And yet they are still online (edit: looks like they'll be online with AWS until 1159 PCT, my mistake) I am pretty sure that coordinated withdrawal of services like this would amount to Tortious Interference wouldn't it? Given Parler/Foxx's pentant for exaggeration and playing the victim I'm a little incredulous to be honest. I don't like censorship or support it. Parler should stay, for all its issues. But that does…

I mean you can't run a site with no censorship where people are openly plotting the violent takeover of the us government and/or violent events. It is just a liability issue. This isn't some kind of censorship issue, that just isn't legal and never has been legal.

According to the Washington Post, a lot of the planning was done on Facebook and Twitter.

Edit:

Interesting that researchers made their findings public weeks before this event that there was specific violence was planned to storm the Capitol.

Source: Originally published in the Washington Post. https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/capitol-siege-was-...

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