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Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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is it coordinated or is everyone just sick of them? their lawyers left too, they are not part of some silicon valley cabal

It's becoming obvious that the capital was stormed by crazies largely organized on the platform. It's coordinated in a way by companies realizing it's an enormous legal and political liability to have a relationship to them

Is this true that it was largely organized on Parler?

A Washington Post article said it was very visible on Twitter and Facebook.

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#92
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Good. We should not tolerate the intolerant.

How about we attempt to understand why people are thinking this way. Why are they not interested in thinking your way? What can be done to help both side talk and solve problems together?

I think you should go to one of these forums - parler or gab, currently /r/conspiracy, or one of the similar. Try to have a reasoned conversation with them. I really genuinely want more people to do that. Because when you do that you very quickly start to understand there is no reason. On the 5th of January, you would've heard them loudly preach that the 6th will be the "reckoning" the "true patriots" would "rise up" that Italygate was an explosive new revelation. Joe Biden had finally been caught in their trap, that and finally Trump would make his move under executive order blah blah blah. On the 7th of January you would've seen them loudly declaring that antifa undercover agents stormed the capitol to discredit them - despite the fact that storming the capitol is literally what they had been advocating on the 5th. Everything they claimed to want on the 5th was actually a setup to discredit them on the 7th.

There is no logic, there is no consistency, there is only claiming whatever is expedient at the time.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

#93

> "They made an attempt to not only kill the app, but to actually destroy the entire company. And it’s not just these three companies. Every vendor from text message services to email providers to our lawyers all ditched us too on the same day." If everybody else is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole.

That’s how free speech ends.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

#94

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The great irony here is Parler DOES engage in loads of censorship (no parody, no Pro-Cannabis comments, no positive antifa comments, I don't think you can even be left wing on there). So I'm stuck defending a censorous site against censorship!? I am a weirdo, because a public site like Parler is exactly where I hope insurrection should be planned. Why wasn't the FBI ready to swoop and arrest actual violent people giv…

> Why wasn't the FBI ready to swoop and arrest actual violent people given they were posting their plans in plane view? I assume because the vast majority of such posts were and are fantasies masquerading as plans, and there aren't the resources to set up stings for each such "plan".

Edit: this is a snarky comment and I should have been polite. I wasn't. I apologise.

Original comment: Turns out the resources were just the price of a plane ticket to Washington...

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

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Yet Galileo was indefinitely imprisoned for denying a geocentric model of the universe, which Everyone Knew to be True. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_affair The point is that the majority is often wrong, and consensus does not confer virtue. (I am deliberately making no remark on this instance; I am speaking purely of the underlying principle.)

This underlying principle would argue that democracy itself is unjust, and that we cannot, say, have laws against murder simply because the majority of people think that murder is bad. What if it's actually good? Consensus does not infer virtue. Shall we suspend all laws? The answer is that, while such an argument is technically true, we have yet to find a better way to structure society. Your example of Galileo stro…

> This underlying principle would argue that democracy itself is unjust...while such an argument is technically true, we have yet to find a better way to structure society.

We certainly have found a better way to structure society: a Constitutional government that honors certain principles that even the democratically elected Congress and President can only override with much more than a majority, with judges trusted to guard those principles.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

#96
The way this forum was purged from the internet is making me uncomfortable. I never used Parler, and I really don't care about the fact that it's gone. But the way that a handful of private companies effectively decides who gets to reach an audience and who doesn't is deeply troubling. We're increasingly becoming a world where what is and isn't allowed in the public sphere is controlled by a handful of corporate leaders.

I'm not worried about some moustache-twirling plot where tech companies effectively become the illuminati. I'm only slightly worried about politicians using the threat of regulation (e.g. revoking Section 230) to leverage companies into prohibiting things they don't like, or content favorable to opponents. I don't think many politicians would do this - the risk that this manipulation gets discovered and publicized is probably too great.

What I'm most worried about is good-intentioned censorship that further divides and alienates large sections of our society. These bans play directly into the narrative that leftist tech companies are excluding and pushing out conservative voices, and it's having the opposite effect of what is intended. For instance, suppressing allegations of fraud is likely having the opposite effect: it's triggering a reaction along the lines of, "well clearly there's something afoot, otherwise why would these companies be deliberately shutting down talk of fraud?". Who here has ever held a view and was banned from a forum, or told to stop by the forum's authorities, (electronic or otherwise) for that view? Did it make you change said view, or did it make you even more entrenched and suspicious of the authority that issued the ban? That's what I'm most worried about: companies ostracizing certain groups or topics with the intention of curbing extremism, but to the effect of fostering ever greater extremism.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

#97

The sad thing is a platform does nothing to help us find common ground and move past the chaos which has overtaken discourse. What is the solution here?

Solution is pretty simple, called Constitution of the United States.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

#98
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The great irony here is Parler DOES engage in loads of censorship (no parody, no Pro-Cannabis comments, no positive antifa comments, I don't think you can even be left wing on there). So I'm stuck defending a censorous site against censorship!? I am a weirdo, because a public site like Parler is exactly where I hope insurrection should be planned. Why wasn't the FBI ready to swoop and arrest actual violent people giv…

I think widespread suppression of information about this planned protest would've mattered, but I don't think it was justified before the events at the capitol. Now I think it is a clear and easily foreseeable risk to allow this to continue.

I'm all for arresting anyone who plans specific violence. Before/after the events at the capital, I don't care. Go arrest them. Banning one site just moves them to another and gives them a persecution complex. 12months in prison for conspiracy to commit public disorder is a much better deterant for future planned insurrections.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

#99

When several vendors drop the same customer at the same time, and there are no state attorneys general bringing legal actions (and thus no grounds to assert illegal activity), then it seems like conspiracy to destroy a business, and a likely cause of action for tortious interference and possibly a RICO violation.

You’d have to prove conspiracy, but there’s no reason to believe any of these businesses conspired with each other.

Re: Parler CEO Says Service Dropped by “Every Vendor” and Could End His Business

#100
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In the West, the communications infrastructure will cut you off anyway. You can go elsewhere which has its own set of problems.

But the communication infrastructure is owned by the government, not a private company. If they want they always can do peer to peer, mesh network style.

No it isn’t, at least not in the US. Private companies own the vast majority of it.
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