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It's not exactly hard to prove that this used to appear in newspapers all the time. A 10 second search on the LOC website shows a ton of examples of this phrase appearing in papers across America: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?stat... Professor Jensen should be ashamed of himself for failing to conduct even the most trivial searches for this information.
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No, and the situation was and still is a lot more complicated than that. The relationship between Unionism and Protestantism and Nationalism and Catholicism was and still is much more grey than many realise. The current situation with Northern Ireland makes this appear much more dry-cut than it actually is because NI was set up on sectarian grounds. However, historically many, in fact the majority, of the prime mover…
> No, and the situation was and still is a lot more complicated than that. The question was "Did they [Irish Protestants] really consider themselves "Irish", though?" and the answer is "yes". > Moreover, the vast majority of Irish Protestants have been Presbyterian, not Anglican. The Church of Ireland is (and has been in recent history) the second largest Christian "sect" (as I put it earlier) in Ireland after Roman…
Yes, you're correct in that the CofI is slightly bigger than the Presbyterian churches. However, that's not my main point. What I was disagreeing with was your conflation of Unionism and Anglicanism, which is entirely incorrect.
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Yes, of course they did. They were Irish, but the unionists agreed (along with Great Britain) that Ireland should be ruled by the King and be under British rule, and subsequently they all adopt the "British" sect of Christianity (Anglicanism).
> Yes, of course they did. Protestants in what is now Northern Ireland could consider themselves eg, 'Ulster Scots' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people
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> No, and the situation was and still is a lot more complicated than that. The question was "Did they [Irish Protestants] really consider themselves "Irish", though?" and the answer is "yes". > Moreover, the vast majority of Irish Protestants have been Presbyterian, not Anglican. The Church of Ireland is (and has been in recent history) the second largest Christian "sect" (as I put it earlier) in Ireland after Roman…
In the United States, they tended to identify as "Scots-Irish", and had a much more established place in American society (for example, at least three Presidents that I know of were Scots-Irish in the 19th century).
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> Most employers openly refuse people based on their nationality and we are perfectly accepting of that, even enforcing it with the law! I assume you're talking about the H-1B visas, etc?
Yes, can you imagine if there was a "black visa"? We still discriminate hard but it's so entrenched that it seems obviously right.
Jensen: "No other ethnic group complained about being singled out by comparable signs." How on Earth did anyone take this man seriously? Is he a visitor from an alternate universe where segregation never happened?
It is weird that this exact phrase kept getting used against the Irish and not other discriminated-against groups. Nothing for Poles, Slavs, Italians, Russians... Or at least that's what I'm finding on the LoC search. A few "No Jews Need Apply", but only a few, and those aren't job listings. Probably not a particularly important mystery, but weird.
If this [exodus] goes on, as it is likely to go on…the United States will become very Irish….So an Ireland there will still be, but on a colossal scale, and in a new world. We must gird our loins to encounter the Nemesis of seven centuries’ misgovernment. To the end of time a hundred million spread over the largest havitable area in the world, and, confronting us everywhere by sea and land, will remember that their forefathers paid tithe to the Protestant clergy, rent to absentee landlords, and a forced obedience to the laws which these had made. (The Times, quoted in The Nation, May 1860)
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In the United States, they tended to identify as "Scots-Irish", and had a much more established place in American society (for example, at least three Presidents that I know of were Scots-Irish in the 19th century).
Scots-Irish isn't quite the same thing. Those referred to as 'Scots-Irish' in the US are descendants of Scottish (largely) Presbyterian planters. People who adhere to Anglicanism generally wouldn't consider themselves or be considered 'Scots-Irish'.
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> Yes, of course they did. Protestants in what is now Northern Ireland could consider themselves eg, 'Ulster Scots' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulster_Scots_people
Ulster Scots is a different thing than was they're referring to. Ulster Scots refers to (largely) Presbyterian descendants of Scottish planters who emigrated to the US. Adherents to the Anglican communion wouldn't necessarily consider themselves 'Ulster Scots'.
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Same could be said for human caused global warming..
Yes. Even though the overwhelming majority of scientists agree that climate change is real and probably has human causes you do still find people in the pay of large fossil fuel companies who will deny the reality, and then a number of otherwise smart people who believe the shills. It's a fascinating (also frustrating) phenomenom.
Jensen attracted a lot of attention because he did not just write that the NINA signs did not exist, he said the Irish were and are delusional, that in order to sustain a sense of victimhood they had manufactured a group-wide lie of discriminatory anti-Irish ads and signs. He said that believing that No Irish Need Apply Signs existed was the Irish equivalent of believing in leprechauns. Here is what Jensen wrote more…
It's especially baffling because he accepts that newspaper ads saying "no irish need apply" were common, but that the signs on the buildings did not exist. Even if that's true it's weird to then say that Irish people were delusionally perpetuating their victimhood.