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It's really interesting that, at least at that time and in that place, there appeared to be more employment discrimination against Irish than African-Americans. I noticed that several of the job ads would accept "colored" applicants, but not Irish. Edit: "that" -> "than".
For attribution purposes, the image is associated with an enlightening write-up, but that particular image isn't in the actual article - http://mix97-3.com/youre-never-too-old-for-a-spring-break-le...
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> "the whole premise of 'couldn't find evidence thus fact didn't exist' was fishy" Not really. The one thing he's correct about is that, if NINA was a real and widespread phenomenon, it would show up in certain pieces of documentation of the era -- newspaper want ads, for example (we actually have fairly large archives from the relevant era; it's not like something from thousands of years ago where it's plausible tha…
> it would show up in certain pieces of documentation of the era True. I think what he assumed was that it would show in other types of documents (like discrimination lawsuits, news showing revolt of the Irish against this policy, etc) But I suspect this was very common and accepted, unfortunately.
It's not exactly hard to prove that this used to appear in newspapers all the time. A 10 second search on the LOC website shows a ton of examples of this phrase appearing in papers across America: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?stat... Professor Jensen should be ashamed of himself for failing to conduct even the most trivial searches for this information.
You didn't read the search results. Those are not ads, but articles mentioning the phrase, at least on the first page (20 articles).
Fried just took the additional initiative of going directly to the newspaper ads, which are primary sources indicating discrimination, rather than the secondary sources of newspaper articles talking about the discrimination.
It's not exactly hard to prove that this used to appear in newspapers all the time. A 10 second search on the LOC website shows a ton of examples of this phrase appearing in papers across America: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?stat... Professor Jensen should be ashamed of himself for failing to conduct even the most trivial searches for this information.
The fact that he accepts the ads were real makes his claim that Irish were delusionally propagating a myth of oppression even harder to understand.
> I’m the PhD who wrote the original article. I’m delighted a high school student worked so hard and wrote so well. He's certainly not doing himself any favors with this condescending appeal to authority. In general, the exchange between Jensen and Fried is a perfect example of how to handle a nasty person with grace.
She'll go places.
It's called researchers bias where someone so fervently believes something is true that it influences their research. NINA is a good example of an uncomfortable truth.
It's not exactly hard to prove that this used to appear in newspapers all the time. A 10 second search on the LOC website shows a ton of examples of this phrase appearing in papers across America: http://chroniclingamerica.loc.gov/search/pages/results/?stat... Professor Jensen should be ashamed of himself for failing to conduct even the most trivial searches for this information.
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> it would show up in certain pieces of documentation of the era True. I think what he assumed was that it would show in other types of documents (like discrimination lawsuits, news showing revolt of the Irish against this policy, etc) But I suspect this was very common and accepted, unfortunately.
Except that, as Fried, showed, it did . Not quite anti-discrimination lawsuits, since those laws didn't exist at the time, but there's an example of some Irish filing a libel lawsuit against a newspaper for printing a NINA advertisement, and of an Irish protest against the posting of a NINA sign at a mill.
