I can't use Firefox on my Chromebook unless i switch to dev mode and use crouton. That said, i enjoy Firefox and the Windows 7 PC at work
Open Letter to Microsoft’s CEO: Don’t Roll Back the Clock on Choice and Control
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I'm not sure you completely understand what all this is about. It's not about whether Windows 10 is any good, its about the default privacy and browser settings. I really (really) like Windows 10, but it really annoyed me that the same privacy settings that Windows 8 defaulted to "off" were suddenly defaulted to "on" in Windows 10.
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#183Out of interest, how does Win 10 compare with Mac OSX in terms of being able to install and change default browser? Given Apple's penchant for lock down, I'd expect it's much the same as Windows?
OSX has always worked as Windows 8.1 and below did with browsers - the browser pops up and asks if it can be the default and you say either "yes" or "leave me alone."
Windows 10 has made that a multi-step process, where the browser now bounces you to the control panel where you have to find the default browser section and make your choice.
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#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google has the Dart VM running in Chrome and it's called Dartium. If Mozilla had not been so vigorously negative towards Dart the story of Dart and Blink may have turned out differently.
No, Google Chrome people rebelled against the overhead of a cross-language-engine garbage cycle collector. Are you aware of the technical details? Before this, before Blink forked WebKit, Apple rejected naive DartVM pre-integration changes for the same reason: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-December/... Whining for the poor Google-Goliath, blaming little Mozilla-David, is rich. No comment on the P…
>On this tangent about Dart, I'm happy that Chrome people prevailed
I'm not. We are sentenced for another 20+ yrs for lang with broken 'this' pointer
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#185"Before you start pointing fingers, make sure you hands are clean!"
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#186This is not rolling back the clock. Here are some important points to the debate: 1. Windows 10 users are upgrading from 7 and 8.1, these versions were heavily shipped with bloatware. If it took away default browsing from Firefox, it also took away volume control from OEM Volumizer 2010. 2. Your browsers like IE, Mozilla and Chrome might have Malware toolbars installed. Nobody can deny that it is far too common on Wi…
Disagree on point 6 - Edge has a long way to go and this change would be easier to stomach if it was better. Having said that, point 4 convinced me that this change is probably good for most users.
I still disagree strongly on Microsoft's default privacy settings, which are god awful. But on the issue of browser choice, its not so bad.
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#187I am writing to you about a very disturbing aspect of Firefox 38.0.5. Specifically, that the update experience appears to have been designed to throw away the choice your customers have made about the Internet experience they want, and replace it with the Internet experience Mozilla wants them to have. When we first saw the Firefox upgrade experience that strips users of their choice by effectively overriding existin…
I never ever enable automatic updates however Firefox updated itself through my Earthlink dialup. So that's why The Tubes have been slow to drain lately.
I did not realize until quite a long time after the invisible install, and only then because a very subtly UI element appeared. I was overcome with rage:
I download all updates by hand then neatly archive them on a server:
Installers/Windows/
Installers/Windows/Security_Updates
Installers/Windows/Security_Updates/Win2k
Installers/Windows/Security_Updates/WinXP
Installers/Windows/Service_Packs
...
Installers/Mac_OS_X/
Installers/Mac_OS_X/TenFourFox
I downloaded all her patches at Starbucks until Apple stopped issuing them. Now I have multiple offsite backups of thousands of installers and patches for many different platforms - even BeOS DR8!
My most-serious gripe with Firefox's unwanted, uh, "upgrade" is that I required for solid hours of struggle to figure out where the UI for a business-critical Add-On was.
It turns out that Mozilla "deprecated" what I regard as the "status bar". Silly Wabbit! Usability Testing is for kids!
It's actually called the Add-On Bar. Once I manger to turn that fact up under some cobblestone, I quickly found a thread in which many, many Add-Onmusers also desperately struggled but a Mozilla employee set them straight. Much like AT&T with the cell signal they eliminated from my neighborhood one fine July night in 2010:
We Don't Care.
We Don't Have To.
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#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Reacting to backlash isn't an argument. Why would you (or anyone) downvote me for criticising things like integrating a social API[0] into the browser? If you feel like downvoting opinions you don't like, by all means go ahead, I'm just not sure if that's the way to have a meaningful discussion. Pocket never bothered me because, honestly, I never saw it. But yes I dislike it's integration. Still no reason to reduce t…
Wait, they make a pretty bad move, people complain (rightly so), they go back on said move in response to that feedback and "Reacting to backlash isn't an argument"? Or am I reading your point incorrectly?
The point is that Mozilla ignored their published principles ( 'The Manifesto' ), and also their stated testing and release processes, in order to shove Pocket out the door and into peoples' faces.
Basically they trampled on everything for which Mozilla stood.
In those circumstances merely reacting to backlash is insufficient. Heads should have rolled and assurances been given that they would alway uphold their principles regardless of 'brand benefit' or 'user acquisition'.
Was anyone demoted, reassigned or dismissed? No, just some PR lacquer slapped over the issue.
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#189Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, Google Chrome people rebelled against the overhead of a cross-language-engine garbage cycle collector. Are you aware of the technical details? Before this, before Blink forked WebKit, Apple rejected naive DartVM pre-integration changes for the same reason: https://lists.webkit.org/pipermail/webkit-dev/2011-December/... Whining for the poor Google-Goliath, blaming little Mozilla-David, is rich. No comment on the P…
>On this tangent about Dart, I'm happy that Chrome people prevailed I'm not. We are sentenced for another 20+ yrs for lang with broken 'this' pointer
Just because you don't understand the JavaScript this, doesn't mean it's broken. It behaves exactly the same way every time you use it... It refers to the object that called the function (unless, of course you or someone else overrode it).
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#190Meh. Is this an ideal thing for MS to have done? Fuck, I dunno. Probably not, I guess? But this isn't that bad; the hyperbolic title ("don't roll back the clock on choice!") makes this sound like something actually serious. Or major. Or permanent. It would be the right headline to protest MS making it impossible to use a third party browser, or at least impossible to change the default browser. Instead it's being use…
Right. So if you want to be worried about something --serious-- be worried about this https://edri.org/microsofts-new-small-print-how-your-persona...
This sounds like paranoid cherry picking, at best. Nearly all of these "worrying issues" are the default behavior of every mobile Android and iOS device on the market.
Specifically, the sync and Cortana portions are complete non-issues. For example, you need to provide all of that information for a service like Cortana, or Google Now, or Siri to even function properly. And you will find nearly identical verbiage in the Android and iOS user agreements, allowing them to access, transfer, and use your data.
Yet, I don't see any of this righteous indignation about the non-Microsoft services.