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Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by obstinate »

hoopd wrote: post #139
obstinate wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm cool with calling sexists names, HN guidelines notwithstanding.

Maybe you only speak of the future of discourse because it's a deep sounding insult, but if you actually care I encourage you to read this essay and reconsider your acceptance of namecalling. http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

I have read this essay a number of times. While I agree it is great, it has an assumption of good faith on the part of the counterparty that I find unsubstantiated in terms of sexists, including many of the anti-Pao folks in this thread. If your discourse consists mostly of repeating unsubstantiated rumors or outright falsehoods, or are otherwise laced with misogyny, like the induhviduals who have made comments about her husband, I feel there's a point at which it is fine for me to give up on you. At that point, the best way to raise the level of discourse is to remove the bad actors from the conversation.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by DAddYE »

Steko wrote: post #116

This thread provides a nice crash course in the mentality and tactics that KiA and related manbaby trolls and hate groups are polluting reddit/the Internet with. Every act of moderation is Ellen Pao's fault, here's a bunch of unsubstantiated FUD about how everyone who got moderated was innocent and we'll constantly repeat these peripheral allegations about her husband. It's incredibly transparent and shameless. "Down…

Are we talking about the sentence or your thoughts about reddit?

Allegations? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Fletcher#Fund_bankruptcy

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by obstinate »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #138
obstinate wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dear lord. Are you telling me you believe unsolicited sexual advances in response to any non-sexual thing one might post is desirable to women? News flash: it ain't. If you think that women aren't treated badly on Reddit, go to /R/shitredditsays. If you have a problem with the politics of that group, you need not read the comments. Just peruse the linked posts. A pattern quickly begins to emerge.

> Are you telling me you believe unsolicited sexual advances in response to any non-sexual thing one might post is desirable to women? Perhaps you didn't read my post clearly but I said nothing of the sort. > If you think that women aren't treated badly on Reddit, go to /R/shitredditsays I said the exact opposite; women are hit on pretty heavily in reddit. I don't see that as being treated well; it's obviously unwant…

You said that women don't catch heat, which to me meant you thought they were treated well. To catch heat (without a cause) is to be mistreated, and it seemed to me as if you were saying this was not the case. My apologies if I misunderstood you.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by obstinate »

BinaryIdiot wrote: post #140
obstinate wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To catch heat means roughly the same thing as to catch flak. In other words, to be complained about/insulted/whatever.

> To catch heat means roughly the same thing as to catch flak Correct. > In other words, to be complained about/insulted/whatever. No, that's not what that means. To catch heat or flak is angering / upsetting others due to your actions then being on the receiving of said anger. It has nothing to do with one sided insults.

Not necessarily due to your actions, nor due to wrong actions. Pao is catching heat/flak over removing comments (which there is zero evidence of) or extortion and lying (which suing someone and losing is not) and over banning harassmemt/hate subs (which decision she announces and likely had a hand in, but was a right action).

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by cheald »

MBCook wrote: post #137
dctoedt wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do these guys [Kleiner Perkins] get reimbursed? From the Reuters report, it appears that Kleiner made an offer of judgment under section 998 of the California Code of Civil Procedure, [1] which provides in part: (c) (1) If an offer made by a defendant is not accepted and the plaintiff fails to obtain a more favorable judgment or award, the plaintiff shall not recover his or her postoffer costs and shall pay the…

I've never heard of a rule like that. Is it common in other states to have a similar 'catch' on making settlement offers? What's the rational? I could see it as a way to try to prevent SLAPP type suits with quick settlements, but it seems like an awfully sharp double edged sword.

The rationale is specifically to encourage parties to try to settle out of court before tying up the justice system with a case. As is illustrated here, it makes the cost of saying "no" to a reasonable settlement both the loss of the settlement and the potential payment of your opponent's costs.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by jfuhrman »

001sky wrote: post #96
obstinate wrote: post #89

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Yeah, so, SHE did not censor those posts. Nor did admins. Sub moderators did. I mean, it even says that in the news articles you posted. And who hates a woman because of something her husband did? That is just gross, medieval thinking.

You should probably check your facts on this.

Are you serious? Do you even know how Reddit works?

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by 001sky »

obstinate wrote: post #136
_s wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trustee report: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/1127fletche... Token paragraph at the end of page 13: "Based on the Trustee’s investigation, the answer to the question of why FILB had no meaningful assets at the time of the bankruptcy filing is principally that the Funds were victims of a fraud defined by the extensive use of wildly inflated valuations, the existence of fictitious assets under manage…

I don't see anything in here about a conviction, and also nothing about Pao being the alleged perpetrator, and thus remain in a state of appalled disgust at what you have written.

But that just shows you don't understant the relevant word(s) and/or you haven't done any homework (like read even the cover page) on the trustee report.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by obstinate »

001sky wrote: post #147
obstinate wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see anything in here about a conviction, and also nothing about Pao being the alleged perpetrator, and thus remain in a state of appalled disgust at what you have written.

But that just shows you don't understant the relevant word(s) and/or you haven't done any homework (like read even the cover page) on the trustee report.

Why would I read that? A trustee report isn't nor can it be a conviction. And it also has nothing to do with Ellen Pao, the person we are discussing.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

obstinate wrote: post #143
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Are you telling me you believe unsolicited sexual advances in response to any non-sexual thing one might post is desirable to women? Perhaps you didn't read my post clearly but I said nothing of the sort. > If you think that women aren't treated badly on Reddit, go to /R/shitredditsays I said the exact opposite; women are hit on pretty heavily in reddit. I don't see that as being treated well; it's obviously unwant…

You said that women don't catch heat, which to me meant you thought they were treated well. To catch heat (without a cause) is to be mistreated, and it seemed to me as if you were saying this was not the case. My apologies if I misunderstood you.

> You said that women don't catch heat

Please take a look at my original comment as I did not say that. Women catch heat all the time. All I said was, in my experience, I rarely see it when compared to all of the sexual harassment they receive.

> To catch heat (without a cause)

I haven't seen this phrase used without a "cause"; isn't that just an insult? Can you even "catch heat" without doing anything?

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by dctoedt »

MBCook wrote: post #137
dctoedt wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why do these guys [Kleiner Perkins] get reimbursed? From the Reuters report, it appears that Kleiner made an offer of judgment under section 998 of the California Code of Civil Procedure, [1] which provides in part: (c) (1) If an offer made by a defendant is not accepted and the plaintiff fails to obtain a more favorable judgment or award, the plaintiff shall not recover his or her postoffer costs and shall pay the…

I've never heard of a rule like that. Is it common in other states to have a similar 'catch' on making settlement offers? What's the rational? I could see it as a way to try to prevent SLAPP type suits with quick settlements, but it seems like an awfully sharp double edged sword.

It's not a catch on making settlement offers; it's a catch on refusing to accept a settlement offer, and then failing to match or beat the offer at trial. The rationale is, you could have had a better deal if you'd accepted the other side's settlement offer, but you dragged the other side through a trial, so you have to pay their court costs.

This is also seen in Rule 68 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure. Some states have similar rules but also provide for attorneys' fees. See the annotations at http://www.commondraft.org/#SettlementIncentiveClause (self-cite).

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