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Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by obstinate »

hoopd wrote: post #130
obstinate wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My big question is: are we ever going to get past this crap? Or is this the enlightened future of discourse. I guess I'm just getting old -- the gish gallop isn't new, but this form feels more terrible and insidious.

The sad statement about the level of discourse is that you apparently care about it but still think granparent comment qualifies. It even breaks the first two rules of HN commenting guidelines: be civil, don't call people names.

I'm cool with calling sexists names, HN guidelines notwithstanding.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by kibibu »

pushnpop wrote: post #119
krschultz wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Go back to reddit. This comment is over the line. Your other comment in this discussion is even worse. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9736628

What line? Which part of the article are you responding to?

Perhaps the line where you make thinly veiled references to the man who architected the deaths of tens of millions of people?

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#133

Post by MBCook »

pushnpop wrote: post #129
Steko wrote: post #116

This thread provides a nice crash course in the mentality and tactics that KiA and related manbaby trolls and hate groups are polluting reddit/the Internet with. Every act of moderation is Ellen Pao's fault, here's a bunch of unsubstantiated FUD about how everyone who got moderated was innocent and we'll constantly repeat these peripheral allegations about her husband. It's incredibly transparent and shameless. "Down…

Who is KiA?

/r/KotakuInAction, which I believe is one of the main forums and rallying/coordination points for GamgerGate or like minded individuals.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by _s »

obstinate wrote: post #127
_s wrote: post #109

From the prosecution: https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1672... From the defence: https://cdn.arstechnica.net/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/25617... --- Personal opinion below ---- Not necessarily relevant (I believe it is) but provides some more of a background is her husband (whom she married in 2007) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddy_Fletcher . Why it's relevant in my opinion? An old saying…

It is disgusting that you think it's acceptable to tar someone with the alleged crimes of their spouse.

Trustee report: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/1127fletche...

Token paragraph at the end of page 13:

"Based on the Trustee’s investigation, the answer to the question of why FILB had no meaningful assets at the time of the bankruptcy filing is principally that the Funds were victims of a fraud defined by the extensive use of wildly inflated valuations, the existence of fictitious assets under management (“AUM”) numbers, the improper payment of excessive fees, the misuse of investor money, and efforts wrongly to deny the Louisiana Pension Funds a key benefit of their investment agreement – mandatory redemption of their investment under certain circumstances. The Funds were also victims of an environment where self-interest all too often trumped fiduciary obligations."

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#135

Post by pushnpop »

kibibu wrote: post #132
pushnpop wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What line? Which part of the article are you responding to?

Perhaps the line where you make thinly veiled references to the man who architected the deaths of tens of millions of people?

So you agree that she is a terrible employee, venture capitalist, and person?

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by obstinate »

_s wrote: post #134
obstinate wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is disgusting that you think it's acceptable to tar someone with the alleged crimes of their spouse.

Trustee report: http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/1127fletche... Token paragraph at the end of page 13: "Based on the Trustee’s investigation, the answer to the question of why FILB had no meaningful assets at the time of the bankruptcy filing is principally that the Funds were victims of a fraud defined by the extensive use of wildly inflated valuations, the existence of fictitious assets under manage…

I don't see anything in here about a conviction, and also nothing about Pao being the alleged perpetrator, and thus remain in a state of appalled disgust at what you have written.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by MBCook »

dctoedt wrote: post #84
phkahler wrote: post #12

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Why is there any award at all? I keep hearing that defending a case can bankrupt a person or company that doesn't have deep pockets even if they are successful. Why do these guys get reimbursed?

> Why do these guys [Kleiner Perkins] get reimbursed? From the Reuters report, it appears that Kleiner made an offer of judgment under section 998 of the California Code of Civil Procedure, [1] which provides in part: (c) (1) If an offer made by a defendant is not accepted and the plaintiff fails to obtain a more favorable judgment or award, the plaintiff shall not recover his or her postoffer costs and shall pay the…

I've never heard of a rule like that. Is it common in other states to have a similar 'catch' on making settlement offers?

What's the rational? I could see it as a way to try to prevent SLAPP type suits with quick settlements, but it seems like an awfully sharp double edged sword.

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

obstinate wrote: post #95
BinaryIdiot wrote: post #91

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I'm not sure that's accurate. I rarely see women get "heat" on reddit but once someone identifies as a women they seem to get far more comments, many even sexual. I'd say women get hit on versus catching heat.

Dear lord. Are you telling me you believe unsolicited sexual advances in response to any non-sexual thing one might post is desirable to women? News flash: it ain't. If you think that women aren't treated badly on Reddit, go to /R/shitredditsays. If you have a problem with the politics of that group, you need not read the comments. Just peruse the linked posts. A pattern quickly begins to emerge.

> Are you telling me you believe unsolicited sexual advances in response to any non-sexual thing one might post is desirable to women?

Perhaps you didn't read my post clearly but I said nothing of the sort.

> If you think that women aren't treated badly on Reddit, go to /R/shitredditsays

I said the exact opposite; women are hit on pretty heavily in reddit. I don't see that as being treated well; it's obviously unwanted (at least in the vast, vast majority of the time).

I have no idea where you could get the idea that my post said or even implied anything but women being treated poorly on reddit...

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#139

Post by hoopd »

obstinate wrote: post #131
hoopd wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad statement about the level of discourse is that you apparently care about it but still think granparent comment qualifies. It even breaks the first two rules of HN commenting guidelines: be civil, don't call people names.

I'm cool with calling sexists names, HN guidelines notwithstanding.

Maybe you only speak of the future of discourse because it's a deep sounding insult, but if you actually care I encourage you to read this essay and reconsider your acceptance of namecalling.

http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html

Re: Ellen Pao owes Kleiner Perkins $276,000 for lawsuit costs: judge

#140

Post by BinaryIdiot »

obstinate wrote: post #118
cactusface wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he just means that sexual harassment is different from "heat", however you want to define that.

To catch heat means roughly the same thing as to catch flak. In other words, to be complained about/insulted/whatever.

> To catch heat means roughly the same thing as to catch flak

Correct.

> In other words, to be complained about/insulted/whatever.

No, that's not what that means. To catch heat or flak is angering / upsetting others due to your actions then being on the receiving of said anger. It has nothing to do with one sided insults.

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