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PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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> Ridiculous. First, neither of us live in a democracy. You don't know where I live! Though I'd agree that capitalist countries are not very democratic, at least not mine and the United States. > There was no vote where the general populace elected to receive low doses of toxic minerals in our drinking water. It varies by country. "Toxic minerals" is an amusing statement given that virtually all substances are toxic…

It's trivial to find out you live in Scotland. Your statement about toxicity is quite valid, nevertheless you can remove the word toxic and my point still stands. I would love to know of the country that democratically elected to receive fluoride in their water.

> It's trivial to find out you live in Scotland.

Yeah, I'd just assumed from the way you worded that, that you didn't know where I lived. My bad.

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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It's not science and just because you know a little bit about computer science doesn't make you qualified to speak about water fluoridation. Several countries have banned water fluoridation for the very reason that after decades and decades there is no causal link between water fluoridation and tooth decay.

Do you have any links?

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Water_fluoridation...

TLDR: most of Europe

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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In my experience (Economics PhD) the term "command economy" is used to describe a theoretical extreme where the government dictates all consumption and production decisions, while "free market", unqualified, refers to the situation where the government only enforces property rights. "Pure capitalism" would be a synonym for "free market" although it's rarely used academically, I guess because the term capitalism is a…

Hmm... "the field itself relies mainly on mathematical models, not sociological categories" - I'll have to disagree. Especially with behavioural economics. I also disagree that free markets are the same thing as capitalism, as does Benjamin Tucker.

>I also disagree that free markets are the same thing as capitalism, as does Benjamin Tucker.

Please never phrase your opinion like this ever again. Whatever interest I had in knowing what Benjamin Tucker said about this issue, I've lost due to your smugly phrased sentence.

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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How would one determine that "fluoride alert" is any different than e.g. the anti-vaxxers?

The peer reviewed studies were not created by that website. That page just lists the links to studies that were published in peer reviewed journals. I'm not sure how any of this relates to vaccines, since we are talking about fluoride. But anytime you want to know if something is true or not, the only way I know of is to dig deeper for more information.

Does the site list ALL studies regarding fluoride in water, or just hand select the ones that come to the 'right' conclusions?

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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Assume that I am. Sources, please.

It's trivial to find sources for the effectiveness of fluoride in preventing tooth decay (Google -> Wikipedia -> a citation leads you here: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5014a1.htm ). There are also studies on water fluoridation's impacts, though it's harder to test that, by nature.

Oh hey, published by the "Fluoride Recommendation Work Group"! Wonder what their agenda is?

You have only to look up the rates of tooth decay among non-fluoridated countries to find that there is no difference whatsoever.

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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Also, very classy of you to paint me as "anti-fluoride" like I would have to have some sort of agenda to question why things are being added to drinking water.

Your comments seem to do more than "question". You appear to be actively against it. Therefore, "anti-fluoride" seems fitting.

Ah, I see. I shall call you "Big Fluoride" then, if that's the game we're playing.

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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I tried to go from Sodas to processed juice, but doctors explained that the sugar content was similar. I then tried to by raw oranges but couldn't find anything worth eating. Acid like a lemon, crooked, dry almost solid, skin ripping the fruit apart ... Nothing like my memories when I could peel an orange and enjoy the delicious slices one by one. To get 'normal' oranges I had to seek for expensive packages.

Don't give up on oranges! There are many different varieties out there and you may not have found one you like yet. Also tangelos can be sweeter. While oranges are usually sold year round in grocery stores, they actually have a harvest season. In North America oranges are in season November through May. I use find the best oranges around December to February. Valencia oranges are best for juicing rather than eating a…

I love orange, and almost anything edible. I suspect current production strategy to lower quality drastically in exchange for lifespan and other logistic qualities.

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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I wish someone would start a no-added-sugar movement. I have a sweet tooth, but the amount of sugar added to even fruit products disgusts me. Dried mango without sugar costs 2x. Raisin bran does not need more sugar. That's the point of the raisins! I like creamer in my coffee, but I cut it with milk.

Since you mentioned dried fruit twice, I thought you might find interesting that WHO recommends counting dried fruit as added sugar (also honey and natural syrups, such as maple, in addition to what we usually count as added sugar).

Sure - I either eat fruit as a meal, or add it as the sweetener. The nice thing about eating actual fruit is that you know what's in it. The key is just being cognizant of what's actually going in your body, and its effect. Sugar is sugar regardless of provenance.

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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I wish someone would start a no-added-sugar movement. I have a sweet tooth, but the amount of sugar added to even fruit products disgusts me. Dried mango without sugar costs 2x. Raisin bran does not need more sugar. That's the point of the raisins! I like creamer in my coffee, but I cut it with milk.

The problem with "no sugar added" labels is they allow the use of things that happen to contain a lot of sugar, like apple and grape juices. It's just as misleading as many of the other call-out labels.

To you and siblings, true. That speaks to a need to stop misleading consumers with marketing terms that don't mean what they mean. I'm speaking more from my personal taste than from public health - I just don't want my food to be so sweet. The industry has jacked up sugar and salt content, in all its forms, to where what the mass market demands is well outside my taste.

(Another example - my local coffeehouse has a half-sweet latte drink which is itself almost too sweet. I'm guessing the full-sweetness version makes room for more cane syrup by taking out actual coffee.)

Relevant read: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/24/magazine/the-extraordinary...

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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Assume that I am. Sources, please.

Asking for sources in the same thread where you've been makig strong but unsupported claims is a bit rich.

I haven't really made any claims, but if you need me to source anything besides the one I already gave you, you're welcome to point it out.
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