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Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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Cute answer, but I, along with the entire non-toddler population, don't ingest toothpaste. HN's propensity for "don't like it? Just buy this gadget/start your own company/move to Somalia"-style rhetoric also makes an appearance. I have no idea what you meant with the carbohydrate comment if you wouldn't mind explaining. Oh and thanks for the down vote, but this isn't reddit.

> Cute answer, but I, along with the entire non-toddler population, don't ingest toothpaste. You do ingest toothpaste, albeit only small amounts. Much like you ingest mouthwash, you just try to keep it to a minimum. > HN's propensity for "don't like it? Just buy this gadget/start your own company/move to Somalia"-style rhetoric also makes an appearance. What else can I suggest? In a democratic society that is your ch…

> In a democratic society that is your choice. You can fight to change the law, or you can work around it.

Ridiculous. First, neither of us live in a democracy. There was no vote where the general populace elected to receive low doses of toxic minerals in our drinking water. Rather cabals of lobbyists persuaded municipal officials to add it under the guise of it being a good thing. Which has yet to be statistically demonstrated.

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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I love that this is the state of public discourse even on hacker news. Just accuse something of being like anti-vax and the down votes follow. No critical thought required.

Actually, people aren't listening to your anti-fluoride woo because they're well aware of the situation.

Also, very classy of you to paint me as "anti-fluoride" like I would have to have some sort of agenda to question why things are being added to drinking water.

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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Actually, people aren't listening to your anti-fluoride woo because they're well aware of the situation.

Also, very classy of you to paint me as "anti-fluoride" like I would have to have some sort of agenda to question why things are being added to drinking water.

Your comments seem to do more than "question". You appear to be actively against it.

Therefore, "anti-fluoride" seems fitting.

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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> Cute answer, but I, along with the entire non-toddler population, don't ingest toothpaste. You do ingest toothpaste, albeit only small amounts. Much like you ingest mouthwash, you just try to keep it to a minimum. > HN's propensity for "don't like it? Just buy this gadget/start your own company/move to Somalia"-style rhetoric also makes an appearance. What else can I suggest? In a democratic society that is your ch…

> In a democratic society that is your choice. You can fight to change the law, or you can work around it. Ridiculous. First, neither of us live in a democracy. There was no vote where the general populace elected to receive low doses of toxic minerals in our drinking water. Rather cabals of lobbyists persuaded municipal officials to add it under the guise of it being a good thing. Which has yet to be statistically d…

> Ridiculous. First, neither of us live in a democracy.

You don't know where I live! Though I'd agree that capitalist countries are not very democratic, at least not mine and the United States.

> There was no vote where the general populace elected to receive low doses of toxic minerals in our drinking water.

It varies by country.

"Toxic minerals" is an amusing statement given that virtually all substances are toxic in the correct dose. As someone else pointed out, sola dosis facit venenum: the dose makes the poison.

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Thank you. I can't put my finger on it but the first 1/4th of the article through me off.

Is there a term for this kind of "journalism?" I've heard it described before as being journalism for journalists or that the journalists have to fill a certain amount of space, so simple articles become wordy and tedious. I see it all the time and hate it, but don't know how to describe it.

Yes, I believe the term is "churnalism." Stories which are primarily PR barely disguised. PR reps pitch stories to journalists and get them curated access to write a story. Lazy journalists go along needing to churn out stories regularly.

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Yes, water fluoridation happened, at least in part, because of large company lobbying. This has no impact on its health benefits, however. For $1 a year, we get less cavities. This isn't marketing bullshit, it's science.

It's not science and just because you know a little bit about computer science doesn't make you qualified to speak about water fluoridation. Several countries have banned water fluoridation for the very reason that after decades and decades there is no causal link between water fluoridation and tooth decay.

Do you have any links?

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

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Public water fluoridation has well-understood health benefits (a reduction in cavities that cannot be achieved through brushing alone). It also has well-understood drawbacks (tooth mottling in high concentrations, toxicity in high concentrations). Someone participating in this discussion would either know this from general knowledge, or could look it up. People aren't that ignorant.

Assume that I am. Sources, please.

Asking for sources in the same thread where you've been makig strong but unsupported claims is a bit rich.

Re: PepsiCo's CEO Indra Nooyi Was Right. Now What?

#58

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Public water fluoridation has well-understood health benefits (a reduction in cavities that cannot be achieved through brushing alone). It also has well-understood drawbacks (tooth mottling in high concentrations, toxicity in high concentrations). Someone participating in this discussion would either know this from general knowledge, or could look it up. People aren't that ignorant.

Assume that I am. Sources, please.

It's trivial to find sources for the effectiveness of fluoride in preventing tooth decay (Google -> Wikipedia -> a citation leads you here: http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/rr5014a1.htm). There are also studies on water fluoridation's impacts, though it's harder to test that, by nature.

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My experience of economics as a social science is the opposite - that it does not relate specifically to mathematical models. For example, the distinction between a mixed economy and pure capitalism is very clear.

In my experience (Economics PhD) the term "command economy" is used to describe a theoretical extreme where the government dictates all consumption and production decisions, while "free market", unqualified, refers to the situation where the government only enforces property rights. "Pure capitalism" would be a synonym for "free market" although it's rarely used academically, I guess because the term capitalism is a…

Hmm... "the field itself relies mainly on mathematical models, not sociological categories" - I'll have to disagree. Especially with behavioural economics. I also disagree that free markets are the same thing as capitalism, as does Benjamin Tucker.

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> In a democratic society that is your choice. You can fight to change the law, or you can work around it. Ridiculous. First, neither of us live in a democracy. There was no vote where the general populace elected to receive low doses of toxic minerals in our drinking water. Rather cabals of lobbyists persuaded municipal officials to add it under the guise of it being a good thing. Which has yet to be statistically d…

> Ridiculous. First, neither of us live in a democracy. You don't know where I live! Though I'd agree that capitalist countries are not very democratic, at least not mine and the United States. > There was no vote where the general populace elected to receive low doses of toxic minerals in our drinking water. It varies by country. "Toxic minerals" is an amusing statement given that virtually all substances are toxic…

It's trivial to find out you live in Scotland.

Your statement about toxicity is quite valid, nevertheless you can remove the word toxic and my point still stands.

I would love to know of the country that democratically elected to receive fluoride in their water.

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