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Re: Let Snowden Come Home

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Post by jonah »

[deleted] wrote: post #37
hueving wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I would join the hopefully overwhelming protests in favor of his release. All 12 of us would be fired up! More seriously, did you see the bit on John Oliver about Snowden? The majority of the US population have no idea who Snowden is. Be careful not to get caught up in our tech news bubble.

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At last count, Last Week Tonight as at least eight investigative reporters on staff. Even though it's couched as "entertainment" it's more in depth than most other "news" programs out there.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/09/29/last-week-t...

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

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Post by stephengillie »

lamuerteflaca wrote: post #27
austinhutch wrote: post #6

If he were to come back to the USA and then subsequently be detained, I would join the hopefully overwhelming protests in favor of his release. I am hoping if such a time comes, that there will be a historic level of demonstration advocating for his freedom.

The cynic in me tells me that instead people will be calling for his head.

Most idiots do what they're told, and with IQ rates proportional to population, the USA has the 3rd most idiots of any country in the world.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

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Post by comrh »

hueving wrote: post #24
austinhutch wrote: post #6

If he were to come back to the USA and then subsequently be detained, I would join the hopefully overwhelming protests in favor of his release. I am hoping if such a time comes, that there will be a historic level of demonstration advocating for his freedom.

>I would join the hopefully overwhelming protests in favor of his release. All 12 of us would be fired up! More seriously, did you see the bit on John Oliver about Snowden? The majority of the US population have no idea who Snowden is. Be careful not to get caught up in our tech news bubble.

Kind of the hardest bubble to notice you're in though right? Especially in the age of social media.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

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Post by rayiner »

sixQuarks wrote: post #39
crxgames wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yep. News will be full of stories about Bruce Jenner's new tit job.

The sad thing is that most people in America know more about Bruce Jenner then they do Snowden.

Can one reasonably believe that acceptance of transsexuals in the U.S. is a much bigger deal than NSA surveillance?

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

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Post by coldtea »

rfrey wrote: post #3

"As Snowden intended, the primary impact of the leaks was on political debate inside the United States." I think the primary impact has been the complete erosion of whatever goodwill the United States had among the citizenry (n.b. not the governments) of her allies. That obviously doesn't matter in the short term; but so many things don't matter in the short term.

>I think the primary impact has been the complete erosion of whatever goodwill the United States had among the citizenry (n.b. not the governments) of her allies.

The DESERVED complete erosion.

I fixed it for you.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

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Post by coldtea »

tosseraccount wrote: post #47

Did he release secret US Army and Navy documents? Was he hired to secure them, but then stole them? Isn't this treason? Let him come back. If there is enough evidence against him, then he can stand trial. If he is innocent; then the government won't be able to prove a case against him.

>Isn't this treason?

Is "treason" against people and organizations who failed the country and abused the constitution still treason?

Let's not forget that the revolution for independence was also treason to the British crown...

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

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Post by rayiner »

fourply wrote: post #25
rosser wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the full quote would mitigate the raging hate-on the grandparent is sporting. Yes, the USA Freedom Act is limited. Yes, it doesn't change all the things we'd all like to see changed. "The perfect is the enemy of the good." It's at least movement in the right direction. Let's try celebrating that, instead of (or at least along with) bitching that it's not movement far enough .

It's unconstitutional. Of course I have a raging hate-on - I believe in the rule of law.

Phone metadata collection is Constitutional under Smith v. Maryland.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

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Post by BinaryIdiot »

comrh wrote: post #53
hueving wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I would join the hopefully overwhelming protests in favor of his release. All 12 of us would be fired up! More seriously, did you see the bit on John Oliver about Snowden? The majority of the US population have no idea who Snowden is. Be careful not to get caught up in our tech news bubble.

Kind of the hardest bubble to notice you're in though right? Especially in the age of social media.

It doesn't help that every technology company uses their data on you to determine your interests and then just shows those thus keeping you in a feedback loop never exposed to other ideas or types of information.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

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Post by tosseraccount »

coldtea wrote: post #57
tosseraccount wrote: post #47

Did he release secret US Army and Navy documents? Was he hired to secure them, but then stole them? Isn't this treason? Let him come back. If there is enough evidence against him, then he can stand trial. If he is innocent; then the government won't be able to prove a case against him.

> Isn't this treason? Is "treason" against people and organizations who failed the country and abused the constitution still treason? Let's not forget that the revolution for independence was also treason to the British crown...

He should be allowed to testify and defend himself.

The prosecution can present their evidence.

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