Let Snowden Come Home

#1

Post by donohoe » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 8:39 PM UTC

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

#2

Post by fourply » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 9:18 PM UTC

It is infuriating to see SO many articles, even from publications that can usually be trusted, referring to this legislation as "commendable" or "significant reform". It is far from it, and we can't expect the couch-dwellers to pay attention while the dying gasps of the 4th estate trumpet this kind of non-change.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

#3

Post by rfrey » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 9:18 PM UTC

"As Snowden intended, the primary impact of the leaks was on political debate inside the United States."

I think the primary impact has been the complete erosion of whatever goodwill the United States had among the citizenry (n.b. not the governments) of her allies.

That obviously doesn't matter in the short term; but so many things don't matter in the short term.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

#4

Post by ra1n85 » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 9:20 PM UTC

Don't just bring him home, honor him.

Ticker tape parades, a federal holiday, buy 1 get 1 free at Carl's Jr. - celebrate what this man did.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

#5

Post by herbig » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 9:21 PM UTC

fourply wrote: post #2

It is infuriating to see SO many articles, even from publications that can usually be trusted, referring to this legislation as "commendable" or "significant reform". It is far from it, and we can't expect the couch-dwellers to pay attention while the dying gasps of the 4th estate trumpet this kind of non-change.

The quote you're referring to is "The new legislation, while it is commendable as far as it goes, contains some obvious shortcomings."

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

#6

Post by austinhutch » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 9:21 PM UTC

If he were to come back to the USA and then subsequently be detained, I would join the hopefully overwhelming protests in favor of his release. I am hoping if such a time comes, that there will be a historic level of demonstration advocating for his freedom.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

#7

Post by fsdfewjfiekf » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 9:21 PM UTC

As long as "home" means "prison next to Robert Hanssen and everyone else who sold secrets to the Russians", then sure.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

#8

Post by task_queue » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 9:21 PM UTC

Let's not kid ourselves, he will get the Manning treatment for the trouble he's caused.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

#9

Post by bitwarrior » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 9:23 PM UTC

Only a presidential pardon will really suffice to come home without threat of arrest. It may very well happen posthumously, but that of course wouldn't be too useful to him by then.

Re: Let Snowden Come Home

#10

Post by rosser » Wed, Jun 03, 2015, 9:26 PM UTC

herbig wrote: post #5

fourply wrote: post #2

It is infuriating to see SO many articles, even from publications that can usually be trusted, referring to this legislation as "commendable" or "significant reform". It is far from it, and we can't expect the couch-dwellers to pay attention while the dying gasps of the 4th estate trumpet this kind of non-change.

The quote you're referring to is "The new legislation, while it is commendable as far as it goes, contains some obvious shortcomings."

But the full quote would mitigate the raging hate-on the grandparent is sporting.

Yes, the USA Freedom Act is limited. Yes, it doesn't change all the things we'd all like to see changed. "The perfect is the enemy of the good." It's at least movement in the right direction. Let's try celebrating that, instead of (or at least along with) bitching that it's not movement far enough.