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Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by byuu »

npinguy wrote: post #140
pikzen wrote: post #116

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The amount of people buying off-region DVDs is awfully low. There are a thousand betters reasons to reject DRM such as not owning your product anymore ("That iTunes music ? Yeah, they can revoke your access at any time.").

The ability to do something does not hold any weight with the people you're trying to convince. "Oh sure, Apple can revoke my access time, but they never would!" It's the same thing as "Oh I'm sure the government COULD access all my data, but why would they want to?" Region-locking affects more people than you might think, just not with DVDs anymore. Most of the world using reddit/hackernews/the internet is constantl…

The US gets that, too. We get it a bit less because so much is produced here; but I've definitely had my share of "Sorry, the owner of this video has not made it available in your region" notices.

It would be nice if it told me which regions were allowed, so I knew which VPN I should use :P

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by shmerl »

MichaelGG wrote: post #136
shmerl wrote: post #86

Netflix are hypocrites (and all this is primarily their fault). They claimed that this DRM garbage in the standard wasn't their desire, and they did it to oblige obsessed publishers. Yet, where is their own content DRM-free?

Yes, it's important to keep in mind that while Netflix is fighting bad people and we like them for that, many things they do are against consumer interests. Like Steam. It's just that the alternatives are so worse, we give them a pass. You're right: Someone should corner them on why "Netflix Original" content isn't DRM free. (Or why they still restrict access and subtitles based on region, for "Netflix Original" titl…

Popcorn Time though goes against the principles of distributed network like BitTorrent. I.e. it prioritizes first data blocks most and as such it's not network friendly, since network is built on assumption of equal prioritization. So while it's an interesting idea in general, it doesn't sound like the right solution technically.

Anyway, it's going a bit off-topic here, except may be it's a good reminder that DRM should never be used since it only punishes legitimate customers and does nothing good.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Karunamon wrote: post #32
hoopd wrote: post #31

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You know, I'm sick of people making such a big deal just becasue Mozilla lost its CEO in such an awful way that he didn't even return to his CTO role. Just because he literally wrote JavaScript, co-founded Mozilla and worked on Firefox since it was called Netscape Navigator it doesn't mean he should be able to take part in America's political process in a way that some find offensive.

*most find offensive. It is possible for someone to be a brilliant technologist and an otherwise awful person. And before someone takes me to task for the words "awful person" - sorry, that's my evaluation of someone who'd rather lose their job than say sorry for the prejudice.

That's the only thing I respect him for. That he wasn't willing to lie about his position and say his views had changed. Because if he had, it would have knocked all the wind out of the opposition's sails. Yes, he's absolutely an awful, vile person who thinks he's better than other people and entitled to special rights. But at least he's not also a liar.

What bothers me more is the way everyone perpetuates the lie that he was fired. Nobody forced him out. The Mozilla board were completely tone-deaf to the outrage it caused. He voluntarily resigned because he realized the harm he was causing the company; but if he wanted to, he could have stuck around anyway.

But if some fantasy narrative exists where the board gave him a secret ultimatum, then I take back what I said about respecting him for not being a liar.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by StavrosK »

enknamel wrote: post #49
bobajeff wrote: post #38

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I left Internet Explorer for Firefox because I was unsatisfied and jumped to the first viable alternative. I left Firefox for Chrome for the same reason. I'll jump to the next viable alternative as soon as it's available.

You would think that but chrome is much more insidious than other browsers. I can log in to chrome on all my devices and share bookmarks, apps, sessions, passwords, etc. That makes me a sticky chrome user because I lose all that functionality if I ever switch.

You really don't. I switched a few months ago because Chrome was crashy, it took all of two days, and a few more until I stopped using Chrome completely.

What irks me about Firefox is that tabs aren't separate processes, so one sticky tab will make everything sluggish, but that's about it.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by byuu »

andrepd wrote: post #134
callahad wrote: post #91

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According to the Pew Research Center's polling, most Americans are in favor of marriage equality, and have been since 2011: http://www.pewforum.org/2014/09/24/graphics-slideshow-changi...

Which doesn't mean in the slightest that whomever disagrees with the majority deserves to be kicked out of the company he founded.

Good thing he wasn't kicked out then, and instead voluntarily resigned, right?

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by byuu »

notsony wrote: post #150
byuu wrote: post #147

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Eich voluntarily resigned. He's not your martyr for freedom of bigotry.

Ridiculous! He was hounded out, forced to resign and you damn well know it. Bigotry? What are you smoking?

> Ridiculous! He was hounded out, forced to resign and you damn well know it.

https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2014/04/05/faq-on-ceo-resignat...

"On April 3, 2014 Brendan Eich voluntarily stepped down as CEO of Mozilla."

(I'm not going to, but) I can tell you to stop posting on HN every single day of the year indefinitely. But I can't make you. I don't have that power. If you choose to, it's your choice. Eich was not fired. He resigned of his own free will.

If a customer comes into your job, tells you that you should resign, and then your boss says, "ignore him, you can stay", and you resign anyway, can you really tell me that your boss fired you?

> Bigotry? What are you smoking?

Unlike you apparently, I'm not. Since I know what words mean.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/bigot

"a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion."

Eich was so intolerant of people who held a difference of opinion on what constitutes marriage, that he donated his own money to a cause whose sole purpose was to strip existing legal rights and protections, rights that he enjoyed himself, from a minority class through force of law. There is zero ambiguity here: I cannot possibly think of a clearer case of outright bigotry.

If you disagree, you might want to take a good, long, hard look in the mirror. Per the dictionary; I am selfish, tactless, and many other negative things. I don't pretend those words mean something that don't apply to me, just so I can feel better about myself.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by andrepd »

byuu wrote: post #155
andrepd wrote: post #134

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Which doesn't mean in the slightest that whomever disagrees with the majority deserves to be kicked out of the company he founded.

Good thing he wasn't kicked out then, and instead voluntarily resigned, right?

He resigned because of the clamour of the bullies, and because he didn't want the Mozilla Foundation to get hurt with it.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by andrepd »

Karunamon wrote: post #142
andrepd wrote: post #135

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>He could repudiate the donation and this would have evaporated overnight. Those views were apparently important enough to him to prevent such an option. So for you the best course of action would be to hypocritically pretend to be sorry in order to appease the clamour of the crows? And as he didn't, as he stayed true to his positions not flipping like a coward because he was pressured to do so, he deserves what he g…

One's principles are not admirable simply because they're principles - surely you know that?

That's irrelevant. What you think of his principles is irrelevant. He did nothing wrong or illegal except take a position that did not coincide with that of a very loud and mean crowd. Even if you or I do not agree, it's indeed admirable he had the courage not to flip to save his skin.

Re: Mozilla Launches a New Firefox Version Without DRM Support

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Post by byuu »

andrepd wrote: post #158
byuu wrote: post #155

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Good thing he wasn't kicked out then, and instead voluntarily resigned, right?

He resigned because of the clamour of the bullies, and because he didn't want the Mozilla Foundation to get hurt with it.

Exactly! He managed to put the company's best interests before his own, and chose to resign. But he wasn't fired: the Mozilla board did not ask for his resignation. He could have stayed if he wanted to.
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