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The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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I was thinking the same thing. If Google start logging license plate numbers (and, hey, it's Google), they could build a database of known dangerous vehicles and automatically give them a wide berth.

Unsolicited bulk data collection. How American. Good luck trying to make that work in places with privacy laws.

Yeah, that really prevented google from doing business in the EU.

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Police and Government should be two different entities, but if you're living in a police state then you're probably right. Otherwise, what Google could do is, say, record your dangerous driving (maybe that one time you were rushing a friend to hospital and ignored some speed limits). And then, every time a potential employer googled your name, they would see this "dangerous driver" notification. And you have no way o…

again, my point wasn't so you could think of what Google "could do". But, rather contrast what Google might reasonably do and contrast with what the police might reasonably do. But hey, feel free to over-react on google, but not about lack of gov. oversight.

Well I thought that was pretty reasonable. But since you disagree, lets look at what is actually happening now.

The youngest MP for a few hundred years was elected the other day. Her name is "Mhairi Black". Google her name, and see what you find on the first page.

Now, what have Police Scotland been up to....The last thing I remember seeing was a complaint about their ridiculous policy of sending armed officers to events that clearly didn't require them. They apologised and gave assurances that armed units would only be sent out in response to specific incidents.

Or do you mean personal interaction with the police? Last time I saw our local policeman, it was because his young son was scared of dogs as a big dog had knocked him down while playing. We took our puppy round so he could pet him and get over his fear.

I'm not sure what lack of government oversight you think there is. Holyrood is under constant scrutiny, not least by those who'd like to see it abolished!

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Many new cars have black boxes that log what the vehicle was doing, and they can be pulled in case of an accident. It's one of the benefits of having everything be electronically controlled these days.

And some countries(Austria!) are actually making them illegal. Utter lunacy.

On privacy grounds ?

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A long long ago a science fiction story with self-driving cars had that scenario. Everyone jaywalked all the time because it was perfectly safe.

I imagine there will be pissed passengers in the car who are sitting stopped for far too long because some jackass things he's above traffic laws. I suspect the self-driving car will also usher the age of people getting beat up for fucking with self-driving cars. There's a million social elements here we haven't explored. Imagine driving through a ghetto and lots of people rush over to your car to rob you (or worse).…

You should forward this post to your psychoanalyst. It's a rich, concentrated dose of mental pathology for his consideration, or maybe it's just the ramblings of an old fart looking back on a sixth of his life spent commuting. The cool kids aren't staring out the window searching for bums to beat up. (besides how would they stop the car or get the door open?) The cool kids are playing a game on the shared table in the middle of the car (the front seats face to the rear, you know) or they're working on their phablet or they're videoconferencing with their coworkers in other robocars.

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And some countries(Austria!) are actually making them illegal. Utter lunacy.

On privacy grounds ?

Yeah. Austria has them completely banned, and in Germany you can use them,but if you have an accident then whatever is recorded is inadmissible in court. Also if you post the recording to youtube you have to blur out faces and registration numbers to not get in trouble.

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Is "autocar" a thing? The ambiguity between automatic/automobile/autonomous really makes me hope a better word surfaces. Self-driving car is a bit too long.

autobot

The cool thing being that the official launch will be the "Autobot Rollout"

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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I want to hear the argument about people who want to ride. I enjoy riding. I like riding horses. I still ride a horse and will not buy an automobile. I participate in riding clubs and I compete in horse racing events. I enjoy horse photography and I do my own hoof maintenance on my steeds. What happens to people like me who actually enjoy riding and the act of owning a horse? Do my loves get phased out because the ma…

Didn't think of the horse perspective. Thanks for that. Still feels bad that some I love doing every day will be regulated to somewhere far removed from where I live and done only a few times a month at best.

This brings to mind the central premise of "Humans Need Not Apply", which I'm happy to bring up as worthwhile viewing whenever the discussion trends towards dramatic lifestyle changes from automation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

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About 33,000 people die on America’s roads every year. There will eventually be a fatality caused by a self-driving car. I wonder how many of these we will be willing to accept. Say self-driving cars reduce fatalities by 10x. That is, by switching 100% to self-driving cars there are 3300 deaths a year, but they are all caused by self-driving cars. Would America accept that? I personally doubt we would. I think the nu…

I don't think it's so different than people being killed by a mechanical failure in a plane. Sure you can put the failure back on the mechanic or engineer who designed the plane but you can do that with software too.

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While I don't doubt things will move in this direction, dates like this seem extremely optimistic. Just speaking of the US, there are something like 250 million cars on the roads, and we buy cars at the rate of about 12-16 million a year. While I can see fully autonomous cars becoming available in the next decade, it will be some time before all manufacturers have refined enough systems, and legalization is in place,…

I think the existing auto fleet can be overcome fairly easily, albeit by a company that enters the market in a position that's initially losing. The model I see that will remove individually-owned, occupant driven vehicles will some variation of: My company will purchase your auto and credit you some amount of haulage on my autocar network, and perhaps some cash. For the low income people using sub-$1,000 cars a toke…

Where do parents fit in this utopia of yours? I've got 2 car seats and a pram and some toys in my car in the driveway. Personally owned transport makes more sense for people who have to move things other than themselves and a laptop (tools, babies, etc)

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I think it is extremely likely that hailing and renting a self driving will be much, much cheaper than owning, maintaining and insuring your own vehicle.

Except it will never be cheaper than public transportation. If public transportation is available, they will take public transportation. If public transportation is not available, neither will be driverless taxis.

Why not? If driverless taxis are cheap enough, even a small town or rural area could have some. Wheras public transportation is available only in very large cities.
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