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The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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The driver is not the problem of cars. It is the fact that in average 1,5 t and 10 m2 are used to transport 100 kg and 1 m2. Driverlessness does not change the bad physics of car transportation decisively.

That's not the problem it is trying to solve. The problem description is: drivers cause accidents.

A technology that solves the wrong problem is doomed to die.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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It sorta kinda might, if the cars have high utilization and don't need to park at their passengers' destinations.

There is already working car sharing. No driverlessness needed.

One-way? Even with a car share you have to park it at the other end, right?

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post #65

This is why we’ve programmed our cars to pause briefly after a light turns green before proceeding into the intersection I programmed my brain to do this after learning to drive in Miami. I always look both ways before proceeding, just as I would before crossing as a pedestrian. When approaching an intersection, especially at night, I also try to look for what's coming from the side. Intersections can be scary places…

My friend was put into a coma for 6 weeks, suffered a traumatic brain injury and spent a year and a half in rehabilitation because she drove through an intersection on a green light as soon as it went green. The worst part is that the driver that hit her got off scott-free because she suffered memory loss so her testimony was void, and apparently the truck driver that witnessed it wasn't enough.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #63

The driver is not the problem of cars. It is the fact that in average 1,5 t and 10 m2 are used to transport 100 kg and 1 m2. Driverlessness does not change the bad physics of car transportation decisively.

The solution is driverless motorbikes

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Imagine that for a moment: Self driving car companies could promise to pay all accident expenses provided it was on auto drive at the time of accident. Not only is that a marketing win, potentially reducing accidents and saving costs for owners... if you jump forward many years of Google (or other) defending owners in court you would reach a point even judges would be biased to believe that the auto-driven car could…

I think that will be necessary. The selling point is that these cars drive better than people and get into far fewer accidents. As the manufacturer, you have to show you believe in that.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #63

The driver is not the problem of cars. It is the fact that in average 1,5 t and 10 m2 are used to transport 100 kg and 1 m2. Driverlessness does not change the bad physics of car transportation decisively.

Even worse than that inefficiency is that for most cars, for 22+ hours per day, they are a 1.5T 10m2 beast thats doing absolutely nothing but taking up space. On a big slab of asphalt that we've poured just so it can sit there.

Self driving cars might not be more compact, but if they can keep themselves occupied for a higher percentage of the day they can be a big win for efficiency.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #65

This is why we’ve programmed our cars to pause briefly after a light turns green before proceeding into the intersection I programmed my brain to do this after learning to drive in Miami. I always look both ways before proceeding, just as I would before crossing as a pedestrian. When approaching an intersection, especially at night, I also try to look for what's coming from the side. Intersections can be scary places…

This intersection crash footage scares the fuck outta me.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZG1HgOyFkU

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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It doesn't work, or so I've heard. Drivers in those cities learn to expect the safety margin of the delay, and statistically they become more willing to run a red light right after it changes.

Back in the day they tried the overlapping red thing in my city. Once everyone got used to the new way of doing things the time when both light were red became a sort of anarchy zone. Everyone assumed that everyone else would strictly observe the red so they didn't have to. We don't do that anymore...

I find myself reminded of an article about a German town that stripped out their lights and signs and just had everyone drive by basic priority rules. Apparently this sharply reduced incidents.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Accidents, when non fatal, are such a waste of anyone's resources. And there are so many way to be cheated. I'm stunned no manufacturer included a logging device. Nowadays you have dash cams though.

Many new cars have black boxes that log what the vehicle was doing, and they can be pulled in case of an accident. It's one of the benefits of having everything be electronically controlled these days.

And some countries(Austria!) are actually making them illegal. Utter lunacy.

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If we can require all self-driving cars to take orders from a central authority, we can do some pretty amazing things: - Most traffic problems are a result of human (over)caution and poor merging technique. A centrally coordinated system of self-driving cars are perfectly aware of each other's intentions and could run much smaller safety margins, as well as make lane/exit access perfectly equitable. The effective car…

Designing such a system to use a centralized authority, as opposed to having a distributed architecture, sounds like an invitation for all kinds of chaos. Given how seductively "easy" centralized solutions seem to be I don't doubt things will go this way, with results varying from hilarious to frustrating to tragic. (I'm not saying that distributed architecture is a panacea, but it seems like a centralized system is…

Model it on Air Traffic Control perhaps? So that local traffic is handled by a local system, but longer distance traffic is handed off to a higher tier one?
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