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The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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I'm wondering if the self driving cars should report these bad drivers.

I was thinking the same thing. If Google start logging license plate numbers (and, hey, it's Google), they could build a database of known dangerous vehicles and automatically give them a wide berth.

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Imagine that for a moment: Self driving car companies could promise to pay all accident expenses provided it was on auto drive at the time of accident. Not only is that a marketing win, potentially reducing accidents and saving costs for owners... if you jump forward many years of Google (or other) defending owners in court you would reach a point even judges would be biased to believe that the auto-driven car could…

All I hear is "this car gets in accidents." Maybe not the message marketing wants to send... ;)

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One thing I'm looking forward to with self-driving cars is to be able to step into a street anywhere and have all the traffic stop automatically. Every inch of street now becomes a crosswalk. Even highways. (This is an ironic statement)

This could be a big deal actually. Will pedestrian and human driver's behavior change if there is the expectation that the self-driving cars are going react incredibly quickly and reliably? It's hard to imagine everything just stays the same everywhere and as self-driving cars become more and more common.

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For balance: In the past eight months, four of the 48 self-driving cars licensed in California were involved in accidents. Three were Lexus SUVs from Google. http://www.startribune.com/ap-exclusive-self-driving-cars-ge... This does not assign blame. It is an observation.

From your own link: "Google and Delphi said their cars were not at fault in any accidents, which the companies said were minor."

To not be legally "at fault" is important, particularly for a company with liability and public image at stake.

I genuinely look forward to future stats that will tell us self-driven cars have a much lower likelihood of even being involved in accidents, independent of fault. To me, that level of defensiveness and net safety is also a measure of progress.

As an example: Let's say a particular self-driven car has a low threshold to "stomp on the brakes, hard" at the slightest sign of danger. Will this keep it from accumulating "at fault" accidents? Probably. But can that behaviour effectively contribute to causing accidents that it's not "at fault" for (being rear-ended)? Probably. Safer roads? Difficult to say.

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When the car is too good and fast to respond, it will get hit from behind it seems. I guess they could change their algorithm to be slow-reacting. dumbing down machines so that petty humans can catch up.

I'd guess that most from-behind collisions are due to excessive speed for conditions, or driver inattention. Not much that the leading car can do about either of those.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your own link: "Google and Delphi said their cars were not at fault in any accidents, which the companies said were minor."

Also from article this thread is tied to: > If you spend enough time on the road, accidents will happen whether you’re in a car or a self-driving car. Over the 6 years since we started the project, we’ve been involved in 11 minor accidents (light damage, no injuries) during those 1.7 million miles of autonomous and manual driving with our safety drivers behind the wheel, and not once was the self-driving car the caus…

I'm curious many of these miles were on snow and ice.

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Every time I hear about the amazingly low accident rates in current generation self-driving cars I'm reminded of this joke (unfortunately I can't remember the source): Grandpa, what did you do before self-driving cars? Well, we just drove them ourselves. We just needed a little practice and to take a test. Wow, and nobody got killed!? Oh, no, millions of people died.

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Every time I hear about the amazingly low accident rates in current generation self-driving cars I'm reminded of this joke (unfortunately I can't remember the source): Grandpa, what did you do before self-driving cars? Well, we just drove them ourselves. We just needed a little practice and to take a test. Wow, and nobody got killed!? Oh, no, millions of people died.

This will only be the case when all cars are self-driving.

Many of these articles do not give a comparison...so,11 per 1.7m miles sounds awesome, but how do you know what the current rate is?

The data I found had a passenger vehicle fatal crash per 100m miles as between 1.0 and 1.33, and a property damage only crash rate per 100m miles of 145, which relate to 0.01 fatalities per 1m miles, and 1.45 property only crashes per 1m miles.

EDIT for link because posting went silly http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety/data-and-statistics/large-tr...

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From your own link: "Google and Delphi said their cars were not at fault in any accidents, which the companies said were minor."

To not be legally "at fault" is important, particularly for a company with liability and public image at stake. I genuinely look forward to future stats that will tell us self-driven cars have a much lower likelihood of even being involved in accidents, independent of fault. To me, that level of defensiveness and net safety is also a measure of progress. As an example: Let's say a particular self-driven car has a low…

It seems that the Google car does avoid that.

"we’ve been hit from behind seven times, mainly at traffic lights but also on the freeway"

If you are stopped at a red light with a car in front of you, sitting there and taking a collision from behind can be the best course of action, depending on the trailing car's speed.

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