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The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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For balance: In the past eight months, four of the 48 self-driving cars licensed in California were involved in accidents. Three were Lexus SUVs from Google. http://www.startribune.com/ap-exclusive-self-driving-cars-ge... This does not assign blame. It is an observation.

From your own link:

"Google and Delphi said their cars were not at fault in any accidents, which the companies said were minor."

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post #4

One thing I'm looking forward to with self-driving cars is to be able to step into a street anywhere and have all the traffic stop automatically. Every inch of street now becomes a crosswalk. Even highways. (This is an ironic statement)

A long long ago a science fiction story with self-driving cars had that scenario. Everyone jaywalked all the time because it was perfectly safe.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #11

For balance: In the past eight months, four of the 48 self-driving cars licensed in California were involved in accidents. Three were Lexus SUVs from Google. http://www.startribune.com/ap-exclusive-self-driving-cars-ge... This does not assign blame. It is an observation.

From your own link: "Google and Delphi said their cars were not at fault in any accidents, which the companies said were minor."

Also from article this thread is tied to:

> If you spend enough time on the road, accidents will happen whether you’re in a car or a self-driving car. Over the 6 years since we started the project, we’ve been involved in 11 minor accidents (light damage, no injuries) during those 1.7 million miles of autonomous and manual driving with our safety drivers behind the wheel, and not once was the self-driving car the cause of the accident.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Imagine that for a moment: Self driving car companies could promise to pay all accident expenses provided it was on auto drive at the time of accident. Not only is that a marketing win, potentially reducing accidents and saving costs for owners... if you jump forward many years of Google (or other) defending owners in court you would reach a point even judges would be biased to believe that the auto-driven car could…

Keep in mind that every autocar will have an extremely accurate recording of the accident that can be analyzed and played back during a hearing. Determining fault will be trivial in almost all cases.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #4

One thing I'm looking forward to with self-driving cars is to be able to step into a street anywhere and have all the traffic stop automatically. Every inch of street now becomes a crosswalk. Even highways. (This is an ironic statement)

Automatically != instantaneously. You'd have to make sure the car is far away enough that speed(car)^2/distance(you, car) You can't play blindfolded frogger.

EDIT: "friction" is a better function name than "mu", even though we all feel nostalgic for high school physics.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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Every time I hear about the amazingly low accident rates in current generation self-driving cars I'm reminded of this joke (unfortunately I can't remember the source):

Grandpa, what did you do before self-driving cars?

Well, we just drove them ourselves. We just needed a little practice and to take a test.

Wow, and nobody got killed!?

Oh, no, millions of people died.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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For balance: In the past eight months, four of the 48 self-driving cars licensed in California were involved in accidents. Three were Lexus SUVs from Google. http://www.startribune.com/ap-exclusive-self-driving-cars-ge... This does not assign blame. It is an observation.

For balance, the property only damage rate that I could find per 100 million vehicle miles for passenger cars was 145, so, 1.45 per million vehicle miles. Trends table 11 in the link http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/safety/data-and-statistics/large-tr...

Now, many PDO incidents go unreported, but, medium does not offer a number for comparison, so, when you see the headline "11 accidents in 1.7m miles" you have no reference to whether this is high or low.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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post #7

When the car is too good and fast to respond, it will get hit from behind it seems. I guess they could change their algorithm to be slow-reacting. dumbing down machines so that petty humans can catch up.

You'd want to get smarter, not dumber: taking into account the fact that the unpredictable (to the car behind) braking could in itself cause an accident, and calculating a best compromise to avoid both collisions, with priority to the more dangerous of the two (the fender-bender could be a great option if you avoid another car doing 50). I'd be surprised if their software doesn't support this kind of thing already.

Re: The View from the Front Seat of the Google Self-Driving Car

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For balance: In the past eight months, four of the 48 self-driving cars licensed in California were involved in accidents. Three were Lexus SUVs from Google. http://www.startribune.com/ap-exclusive-self-driving-cars-ge... This does not assign blame. It is an observation.

According to the companies involved, none of the accidents were the fault of the self driving car.

The Delphi car was stopped at a light, in manual driving mode, when another vehicle lost control, crossed a median, and hit the delphi car.

I haven't seen a statement from Google other than that the accidents were minor and the fault of the other vehicles.

I think today's news article flurry might better be titled: Humans run into self driving cars about as often as human driven ones, meanwhile self driving cars do not run into other vehicles.

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