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Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web

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Re: Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web

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He's right. What surprises me is the readiness of people to put up with that shit. I'm not sure if their patience with horrible design is just a result of their ignorance.

You say "people" as though you don't put up with it too... It's the same everywhere. Shit flows from the walls, up through the streets, through and within everything we interact with, because we've managed to build a civilisation on "that'll do" and "well, forever!" so far, and through some unlikely sequence of sheer fluke we're here to talk about it. The internet is a bodge job. The web is a bodge job. This finely m…

I think you only captured half of the picture in this comment. Yes, there's ton of crap created because we screw up implementation. But then there's another ten tons of crap created on purpose.

Implementation rarely is hard. Some problems brought up in TFA were already solved years, if not decades ago. There's no reason we should have problem downloading photos from our phones and sending them to family. And it was easier in the pre-smartphone/early smartphone era than it is today.

I blame the same force that gave us our progress - capitalism, the market economy, and the mindset it promotes among management. In established markets, all the easy things have already been solved - you can't win any more customers by creating quality products. You have to squeeze money out of perfectly working things. This is where the engine of capitalism stops being aligned with humanity's needs.

There's a business term for all that crap - "value-added". When you see some "value-added" thing it means that the company is about to shit on you to get more money, either from you or someone else. We didn't have that much crapware on computers until vendors realized they could get paid by third parties by bundling their worthless (for end-user) crap. It's a gamble that worked well for the companies - people will deal with crap because they don't have any other choice, and vendors get more profit.

Then there's completely purposeful degradation. Some of the things we had much better 60 years ago than today: shoes, clothes, kettles, lightbulbs, utensils, kitchenware, various home appliances. Sure, they weren't that shiny and plastic, they didn't have an army of "designers" behind them, but they fucking worked and they still fucking work today. I still have a microwave bought ~20 years ago in Sweden, and it fucking works and never had a single glitch. My grandfathers have equipment bought when they were young, whereas my shoes and clothes degrade within half a year or less.

This is the problem. We know very well how to make good things. But making good things is not profitable compared to shitting on your customers.

Re: Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web

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You say "people" as though you don't put up with it too... It's the same everywhere. Shit flows from the walls, up through the streets, through and within everything we interact with, because we've managed to build a civilisation on "that'll do" and "well, forever!" so far, and through some unlikely sequence of sheer fluke we're here to talk about it. The internet is a bodge job. The web is a bodge job. This finely m…

If you are philosophically inclined, you realize that art is one of the few exceptions to that. Artists are people that try to achieve perfection in a way that ordinary society doesn't allow.

Because art is done for it's own sake, not to sell it. As a painter you don't get offers from third parties that are willing to pay you for including their logo on your work.

Re: Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web

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Yep. For me Google+ was the turning point. It started before that, but if you drew a line graph of Quality of Products for Google I think you'd see the Google+ rollout event on that line without it being pointed out. I don't work there, and never have, so I have no idea what the cause is. My guess is just the fact that the company has grown so much that maintaining the quality of people and thus products that they pu…

The place which is hilariously broken is that on the Google play store, I cant give star ratings to movies / music that I like to get a more customized experience because doing so requires you to publicly disclose on Google+ that you liked / disliked that movie/song.

You can make your Likes private on Google Plus.

Re: Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web

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What I _can't_ understand is why does Google rave all day about "material design" and such when they have dog crap all over their own doorstep?

They could never get design right. First it was complete shit because they didn't care, then they copied Microsoft's metro and called it Holo, then they came up with Cards UI and now they have Material. Not one of these was properly implemented in their own apps, which should tell you a lot about their inner workings.

You obviously don't remember when search engines had a thousand options and buttons and links everywhere.

Re: Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web

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But they know you locale and could do the right thing. Is not at all hard.

That's assuming users aren't resetting their locale. It's not uncommon for non english users to assume that the english version of a site is the real deal and their version is an inferior localization done by some backbenchers at whatever company made it. For example, here's a story about how the majority of power users in Poland use an english keyboard with specialized key bindings, because using a polish keyboard m…

It's. Lazy. Programming.

Re: Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web

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This already exists, http://www.microsoftstore.com/

Interesting, I admit I had never heard about it. Are the prices competitive ?

Probably not, because bundling crap is what allows vendors to reduce prices.

Re: Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web

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One of the best blogs ever! Quote: "I have a pretty strict rule about not using computers in the evening time. (because computers inevitably make me furious and want to smash things and then I can't sleep)." Can't stop reading posts ...

He's probably one of the world's leading experts on practical compression.

Re: Did I ever mention that I fucking hate the fucking web

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This reminds me of Bill Gates' email documenting his experiencing trying to install and run Windows MovieMaker (read from the bottom): http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/files/library/2003Jangat...

I really appreciate how even-keeled he is despite being utterly frustrated with the experience. I think the worst he said was "crap," which I find refreshing. That's something I hope I bring to every team I'm on.

Yeah, although it feels good in the moment to let loose whatever salty vocabulary you have, it definitely distracts from the substance of your point in most instances.
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